Talk:Right to exist

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Right to exist article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the subject of the article.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives (index): 1, 2: 14 days

Armenia

	Right to exist is within the scope of WikiProject Armenia, an attempt to improve and better organize information in articles related or pertaining to Armenia and Armenians. If you would like to contribute or collaborate, you could edit the article attached to this page or visit the project page for further information.ArmeniaWikipedia:WikiProject ArmeniaTemplate:WikiProject ArmeniaArmenian
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Israel High‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Israel, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Israel on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IsraelWikipedia:WikiProject IsraelTemplate:WikiProject IsraelIsrael-related

High

This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Project Israel To Do:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Assess : Rate the Unassessed Israel-related articles and Unknown-importance Israel-related articles.
Cleanup : Cleanup listing for this project is available. See also the list by category and the tool's wiki page.
Collaborate : Participate in WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration.
Copyedit : Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2005
Deletion sorting : Participate in discussions at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel.
Expand : Ayala Procaccia, Diamond industry in Israel, Edna Arbel, Levin Kipnis, Rami Kleinstein, Sephardic Haredim, Zman Tel Aviv, Nachum Heiman, Public Defence (Israel), Prisoner of Zion, Trial of Benjamin Netanyahu, Day to Mark the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Countries and Iran, Pre-Modern Aliyah
See also Articles needing translation from Hebrew Wikipedia.
Geographical coordinates : Add geographic coordinates to Israel articles missing geocoordinate data.
Infobox : Add infoboxes to Israel articles needing infoboxes.
Maintain : See Israel articles needing attention.
Map : See discussion at Module:Location map/data/Israel. Add maps to articles in Wikipedia requested maps in Israel.
NPOV : Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries
Photo : Add pictures to articles in Wikipedia requested photographs in Israel.
Stubs : See Israel stubs.
Update : Basic Law proposal: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People
Other :
- Translate to Hebrew : David Bar-Hayim, Guy Bavli, and Guy Oseary.

Kurdistan

	Kurdistan portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Kurdistan, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to Kurdistan on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.KurdistanWikipedia:WikiProject KurdistanTemplate:WikiProject KurdistanKurdistan
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Northern Ireland

	Northern Ireland portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Northern Ireland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Northern Ireland on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Northern IrelandWikipedia:WikiProject Northern IrelandTemplate:WikiProject Northern IrelandNorthern Ireland-related
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Palestine High‑importance

	Palestine portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Palestine, a team effort dedicated to building and maintaining comprehensive, informative and balanced articles related to the geographic Palestine region, the Palestinian people and the State of Palestine on Wikipedia. Join us by visiting the project page, where you can add your name to the list of members where you can contribute to the discussions.PalestineWikipedia:WikiProject PalestineTemplate:WikiProject PalestinePalestine-related
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

International relations: Law Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject International relations, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of International relations on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.International relationsWikipedia:WikiProject International relationsTemplate:WikiProject International relationsInternational relations
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject International law (assessed as Mid-importance).

Philosophy: Social and political Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Philosophy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of content related to philosophy on Wikipedia. If you would like to support the project, please visit the project page, where you can get more details on how you can help, and where you can join the general discussion about philosophy content on Wikipedia.PhilosophyWikipedia:WikiProject PhilosophyTemplate:WikiProject PhilosophyPhilosophy

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Associated task forces:
/
	Social and political philosophy

Politics Low‑importance

	Politics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoliticsWikipedia:WikiProject PoliticsTemplate:WikiProject Politicspolitics
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Countries

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Countries, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of countries on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CountriesWikipedia:WikiProject CountriesTemplate:WikiProject Countriescountry

WikiProject Countries to-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Check out the article alerts; see if anything catches your fancy.
Cleanup : clean-up listing for Countries
Stubs : de-stub articles in Category:Stubs by region.
Other : add {{WPCountries}} to talk pages of related articles, and assess.

You are an administrator, so you may disregard the message below

You are seeing this because of the limitations of {{If extended confirmed}} and {{If admin}} You can hide this message box by adding the following to a new line of your common.css page:

.ECR-edit-request-warning {
	display: none;
}

Stop: Parts of this page are restricted

Parts of this article are related to the Arab–Israeli conflict, which is subject to the extended-confirmed restriction.

You are not an extended-confirmed user, so you must not edit or discuss this topic anywhere on Wikipedia except to make an edit request. (Additional details are in the message box just below this one.)

Warning: active arbitration remedies

The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. Parts of this article relate to the Arab–Israeli conflict, a contentious topic.

The following restrictions apply to everyone editing this article:

All participants in formal discussions (RfCs, RMs, etc) within the area of conflict are urged to keep their comments concise, and are limited to 1,000 words per discussion. Citations and quotations (whether from sources, Wikipedia articles, Wikipedia discussions, or elsewhere) do not count toward the word limit.
You must be logged-in and extended-confirmed to edit or discuss this topic on any page (except for making edit requests, provided they are not disruptive)
You may not make more than 1 revert within 24 hours (except in limited circumstances)

Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator.

If it is unclear which parts of the page are related to this contentious topic, the content in question should be marked within the wiki text by an invisible comment. If no comment is present, please ask an administrator for assistance. If in doubt it is better to assume that the content is covered.

Archives

Index 1, 2

This page has archives. Sections older than 14 days may be auto-archived by if there are more than 4.

Quality, locking

Isn't this very flagrantly in the form of an essay or editorial? Even the introductory section is as such. What are the grounds for its permanent locking other than to protect this? Zusty001 (talk) 08:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On grounds, see [1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:14, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

the lock was introduced in Nov 17 after an edit war and ensured editors were successful in ensuring the term "right to exist" should not be used when describing Israeli leaders who reject Palestine's right to exist, as I described in the link above https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Right_to_exist/Archive_2 82.11.163.59 (talk) 14:57, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of editwarring with the archive bot, you could try some WP:APPNOTEing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:03, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am !!! "An editor who may wish to draw a wider range of informed, but uninvolved, editors to a discussion can place a message at any of the following:

....The talk page"

why is the archive bot doing this ? in fact why aren't the clear NPOV with this article not addressed after all these years ? 82.11.163.59 (talk) 06:22, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

but thanks for suggestion 82.11.163.59 (talk) 06:25, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I thought you may want wider than this talkpage, where not much is happening, but if not, fine. On why, see WP:CHOICE. en-WP has about 6,5 million articles and about 117,000 active editors (that includes you), and they spend time on what they think is interesting atm. The bot is archiving old threads without comments after awhile because that is what it's meant to do, it keeps talkpages from getting too long. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:31, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

fair enough, thanks for your advice - I'm not familiar with those other avenues such as the village pump - to be honest at first glance this talk page seemed the most obvious place with most footfall (albeit not so much) and those comments aren't so old to be archived. there are "older" undated comments that seem to evade the archive bot. 82.11.163.59 (talk) 07:40, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

to be honest the more I look at the Palestine section the more odd it looks : "The Knesset plenum gave initial approval in May 2009 to a bill criminalizing the public denial of Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state, with a penalty of up to a year in prison."

what exactly does that have to do with Palestine and its right to exist ?? 82.11.163.59 (talk) 07:43, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Make an edit request, I'll deal with it, OK? Selfstudier (talk) 13:04, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed that section up now. Selfstudier (talk) 09:12, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thanks Selfstudier - it does seem that in the joint Israel/Palestine section only 1 of 10 paagraphs deals with Palestine's right to exist. And would it good t oadd back in the detail of Danon's stanced that has vanished ?

In an August 2011 interview with Teymoor Nabili on Al Jazeera English, Danny Danon said "There is place only for one state on the land of Israel.... I do not believe in a two-state solution.",^[1] reaffirming his stance in June 2013: "Oy vey! Is it such a criminal offense to oppose a two-state solution?"^[2] 82.11.163.59 (talk) 11:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On the older comments, that's because the bot doesn't "get" the unsigned/undated comments, someone has to be arsed to do it manually. This talkpage is the right place to start, but "no reply" is a fact of life on WP, and then one has to decide to take it further or do something else. My personal choice for "next" in this situation would be appnoting some of the WP-projects listed above on this talkpage (or perhaps WP:NPOVN, your argument seems to be WP:NPOV-related), if you're not on a laptop you may have to tap something to see them. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:04, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 November 2022

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

In the section on Israel/Palestine, the name of Egpytian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser is linked to the page for the name "Abdel Nasser" instead of the page for the individual himself. Recommend fixing this link to lead to Gamal Abdel Nasser. Lucasisaacfrye (talk) 07:39, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, thanks. Done. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:04, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

War

Peace treatys of the government militarys and how they should be handled. 69.55.98.34 (talk) 22:55, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Citations section

Why is there a Citations section separate from the References section? IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 20:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ "Danny Danon talks to Al Jazeera". english.aljazeera.net. Archived from the original on 2011-11-03. Retrieved 2013-11-23.
^ "Amid uproar, deputy defense minister stands by rejection of two states". The Times of Israel. Archived from the original on 2013-11-24. Retrieved 2013-11-26.

[1] "Danny Danon talks to Al Jazeera". english.aljazeera.net. Archived from the original on 2011-11-03. Retrieved 2013-11-23.

[2] "Amid uproar, deputy defense minister stands by rejection of two states". The Times of Israel. Archived from the original on 2013-11-24. Retrieved 2013-11-26.

[1]

[2]