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Edmondx

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I see no evidence of notability. Paradoctor (talk) 02:43, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I cannot find any WP:RS talking about the subject. There's plenty of social media about him so this might be WP:TOOSOON. Ultraodan (T, C) 03:31, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Lele (rapper)

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Another rapper who was sadly murdered but does not seem to have any notability outside of that. Similar to the situation with G-Slimm, none of his music had ever charted on any major chart; and the sources in the article only mention his name in passing. Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 17:43, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I only find hits on a Lele Pons (female), not this person. Does not appear to meet musical notability, not charted singles, no album reviews found. Has been tagged for 5 yrs, with not much added. One source is the legal information, so not helpful. Oaktree b (talk) 19:05, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The article is possibly mistitled because he also worked under the name Lele El Arma Secreta, which seems to be more commonly used in Puerto Rican streaming services and directories. If he worked under the simpler name Lele, it is nearly impossible to search due to Lele Pons (found by the previous voter) and yet another solo performer named Lele [1]. His gruesome murder got a little media coverage under his birth name Victor Alexis Rivera Santiago, but that is not enough for notability per WP:VICTIM. His music career was confined to minor credits in other people's work while his own releases received no reliable coverage that I can find. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:14, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: He was a songwriter who was known for writing Héctor el Father's biggest hits. His stage name was Lele, but his nickname was Lele el Arma Secreta, which is why it's almost impossible to find information about him. His peak was very short because Héctor retired to join the church, and Lele was murdered shortly after. All of his songs on streaming services are unofficial uploads based on demos of the tracks he wrote for other artists. ItsMario97 (talk) 17:52, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Nimsgern

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Fails WP:GNG/WP:NCREATIVE. None of the sources pass WP:SIGCOV/WP:SIRS. Article is cited to self written materials; including the many bios used on theatre websites where the subject is employed (bios of this type are usually written by the artists or their manager). The first source, while in a respectable publication, was written by the subject. The Drewes piece is a puffery press release as is the telamo.de piece. The musical theatre award is insignificant. This is a new industry award established in 2025, and isn't a prestigious or well known prize. 4meter4 (talk) 17:24, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I have added a few citations to the External Links section, in the hope that the article's editors will be able to use them. Storye book (talk) 18:30, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Storye book: Added all to the SIRS table below. These are not any better, and some are in fact worse than what was already there as they are vendors selling products connected to the subject or are user generated websites. Best.4meter4 (talk) 19:40, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thank. I tried. Sigh. Storye book (talk) 08:43, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Significant?	Independent?	Reliable?	Secondary?	Pass/Fail	Notes
Nimsgern, Frank (11 December 2007). "Musik und Konzept". General-Anzeiger. Retrieved 23 September 2025.	Y	N	?	N	N	Article written by the subject. Lacks independence and is of questionable reliability for that reason.
"Frank Nimsgern" (in German). Nordiska.dk. Retrieved 23 September 2025.	Y	N	?	N	N	Nimsgern is a member of Nordiska. Likely written by the subject.
"Frank Nimsgern". OperaBase. Retrieved 23 September 2025.	?	?	Y	N	N	Industry database that is compiled through part user submitted content (but independently fact checked by the website before publishing) and part research by the website employees. It is reliable, but its primarily a tool for casting directors and people looking to hire directors, composers, singers. It's like linked in for the opera world. Not significant coverage.
"TUI Christens". Cruiseindustrynews.com. 18 May 2009. Retrieved 23 September 2025.	N	Y	Y	Y	N	Low quality trade magazine briefly covering the performance of a song written by Nimsgern, but only because Anna Netrebko backed out of performing it. Not giving significant coverage to the song or the composer, since the focus was on a sick performer being replaced.
"Musical: "Der Ring des Nibelungen"". Der Tagesspiegel. 19 October 2006. Retrieved 23 September 2025.	N	N	Y	N	N	This is an advertisement/press release for the show. It is not a review, and is not independent. (likely paid for by the theatre)
"80 plus". Telamo.de. 15 November 2021. Retrieved 23 September 2025.	N	N	Y	N	N	Website of Telamo/BMG writing on one of their albums. Self published, and also marketing one of their products. Lacks independence.
"Frank Nimsgern" (in German). Luisenburg Festspiele Wunsiedel. Retrieved 23 September 2025.	Y	N	?	N	N	Artist bio of a festival employing Nimsgern. Likely written by Nimsgern or his manager. Self published and lacks independence. Of questionable reliability for that reason.
Drewes, Kevin (30 December 2024). ""Zauberflöte – Das Musical": DIESE Darsteller sind in Oberhausen und Füssen 2025 dabei". Musicalpuls.com. Retrieved 23 September 2005.	N	?	?	?	N	Looks like it could be a secondary source at first glance, but is clearly low quality churnalism. Perfunctory and full of promotional puffery and peacock language, this is clearly press release adjacent and of questionable reliability.
Yungblut, Peter (2 February 2025). "Zwischen Mut und Verzweiflung: Neue Auszeichnung für Musicals" (in German). Br.de. Retrieved 23 September 2025.	?	Y	Y	Y	?	Coverage of a new award for German musical theatre. The award win is briefly covered. Not in-depth coverage of Nimsgern. It's reliable, but is a brand new industry award significant? There's not enough coverage of this event to make it a clearly notable award, so I would say not.
"Frank Nimsgern". Schott-music. Schott Music. Retrieved 20 November 2025.	Y	N	?	N	N	Bio of Nimsgern at Schhott who publishes and sells his music. Likely written by the subject or his manager. Lacks independence.
"Frank Nimsgern Featuring Chaka Khan & Billy Cobham". discogs. Discogs. 1991. Retrieved 20 November 2025.	N	N	N	N	N	User generated website. Like IMDb or wikipedia anyone can submit content to discogs.
"Snowhite Frank Nimsgern". cdgo. C.D.G.O. Retrieved 20 November 2025.	N	N	N	N	N	Vendor website selling CDs. Has a financial coi. Not independent or reliable.
Total qualifying sources					0	There must be multiple qualifying sources to meet the notability requirements

Delete: Source table above sums it up, not much of anything we can use for notability. I don't see anything about this person either in my search Oaktree b (talk) 19:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: His musical winning an award, even if it was a notable award, wouldn't satisfy any criteria of WP:NCREATIVE regardless; this particular win didn't garner any additional coverage of him as an artist, and it is more likely to make the musical notable than him as its composer. -- Recon rabbit 21:38, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It was redlinked in Siegmund Nimsgern amd transwikied from German Wikipedia. His father was notable and there seemed to be reasonable coverage of his son too. Have you looked in German newspaper sources?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:48, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There certainly seems to be reasonable hits in Google Books though haven't the time to check them all.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:10, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In Spannungen zur Adaption überlieferter Stoffe in der Abenteuerliteratur für Jugendliche und Erwachsene, Frank is mentioned once as being involved in the production of Der Ring.

In Musiktheater der Gegenwart, Frank is mentioned once, in an example of a musical (though the context is unclear).

Der Spiegel mentions Frank as the composer for the song "Ocean of Love" without more than a sentence of commentary.

Berlin in Geschichte und Gegenwart includes Frank in a list of credits for providing music.

Musikhandel is the most substantial out of the selection, giving a two-sentence review of his musical style.

The rest of the Books results are biblliographies with no preview or simply include him in a list of credits. -- Recon rabbit 14:32, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's all pretty much perfunctory passing mentions of less than a paragraph of text in any one source. Some of the books only available in snippet in google are viewable in the internet archive, and there really wasn't anything there with SIGCOV. Google scholar was the same way, with publications mentioning him briefly in a sentence or two. Honestly, if SIGCOV exists it is likely in newspaper and magazine archives. Probably the easiest path to proving notability would be through WP:NCREATIVE by locating multiple critical reviews of a couple of his original musicals. That would require a search in archives. I would think the Saarbrücker Zeitung would be a good place to start, but it does require subscription access. Another likely source is this one which suggest there may be SIGCOV in the Deutsches Theater-Lexikon (DTL); although sometimes entries can be little more than a redirect so we would actually need to see/obtain access to know for sure. Unfortunately the print copy I have access to doesn't include him, and the entry appears to only be accessible through the online version. My concern is that the entry may simply be a brief description with a redirect to the entry on his dad where he is mentioned in passing. I suspect this might be the case because he gets zero hits when searching in the German National Library (GNL) and the library generally does a good job of interlinking to people with entries in the DNL. We really need someone to actually gain access to the DNL source to know for sure whether it actually contains SIGCOV. The lack of a data item page in the GNL is concerning as well, as even nominally successful theatre people generally have a GNL data item page. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, though several aspects of his career, musical director for Chaka Khan, composing for Tatort (a very well known series) and his musical Zauberflöte (The Magic Flute) premiering at the Deutsches Theater in Munich (a major German theatre) and awarded Musical of the Year at The Musical Awards in Germany seem notable.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:35, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The latter award was created this year, and is of questionable relevance. It's not a major award.4meter4 (talk) 14:58, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Radhika Bhide

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Reality show contestant (not winner), nothing charting, and nothing seen for touring or released under major record label. CNMall41 (talk) 06:28, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Just wanted to share my side as the person who started the article.

I don’t have any connection with Radhika Bhide — no paid work, no personal link. I just help some independent artists with their online visibility for free sometimes.

Regarding notability:

Even though she is not the winner of the show, she has received a lot of independent media coverage recently. Her performances on I-Popstar (Season 1) went viral, and multiple well-known outlets covered her songs and interviews: Maharashtra Times, NDTV Marathi, Loksatta, Lokmat, Saam TV, ABP Majha, Lokshahi News, JustShowBiz, etc. These are all organic, non-sponsored articles.

She may not have charted or been signed to a major label yet, but the amount of independent coverage she has received suggests she meets general notability, not just the musician-specific criteria. If anything needs fixing or cleanup, I’m happy to work on it. Aditya Jagdhane (talk) 07:04, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If she has not charted or released music under a major label, how would she pass WP:NMUSICIAN? As far as the COI, you were asked about that on your talk page. If we can continue the conversation there it would better as this page is a discussion about notability, not editor conduct. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:04, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: she earned some Marathi language news coverage to support WP:GNG but is it sufficient for inclusion in English Wikipedia? A matter of concern here to be addressed by some experienced editors. SaTnamZIN (talk) 05:39, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

G-Slimm

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It's unfortunate that he was murdered, but he does not seem to have any notability outside of that. None of his music had ever charted on any major chart; and as for the sources in the article, only one talks about the murder while the rest either simply mention his name in passing or don't mention him at all. Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 19:46, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No charted singles, nothing for musical notability. Even what's used for sourcing is mentions in articles about other people, nothing strictly about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 00:27, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No chart or notable label activity; just another rapper coattailing off more established artists and known more for his death than his career. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 03:59, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - During his lifetime his only reliable music coverage was in relation to a collab with the more notable Mystikal but his works in their own right received no significant coverage that I can find. He has received a few nostalgia reviews of the "lost classic" variety: [2], [3], but those don't add up to enough coverage of his life and career for WP requirements. His murder generated a little news coverage but not enough for notability per WP:VICTIM. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:22, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ringside (band)

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I could not find any existing reliable sources on this band that prove this subject's notability. The only existing information consists of the band's song listings or otherwise trivial information (see WP:MUSICBIO). — Alex26337 ^(talk) 09:28, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Additionally, I'd also like to also like to nominate the following two articles for deletion under the same reason:

Ringside (Ringside album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Lost Days (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I did not find any notable sources that could warrant an article for these two albums. Similarly, a third album-related article (Money (EP)) linked on this page has the same issue, though it's already undergoing its own deletion discussion. — Alex26337 ^(talk) 09:39, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all- including Money (EP). Per nom. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 18:05, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment review [4] Geschichte (talk) 21:16, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep main article on the band itself per WP:MUSICBIO#1 with bylined coverage available, and now added to the article since nomination: [5], [6], [7], [8]. Furthermore, covers of the band's first single Tired of Being Sorry achieved significant WP:GOODCHARTS success therefore there is likely a pass on WP:COMPOSER too. In my view there is no need for the album articles and these should be redirected to the band. ResonantDis_tortion 10:08, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Dry

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I am a little surprised that I have had to bring this to AfD (although redirect to Tik and Tok might be fine but I am checking their notability next) because this page lists numerous accomplishments but when I try to check them out I can't find them or they are documented with self-published sources. In addition the article was created by what appears to be a COI account (NOIR Ltd.) and has been consistently updated by the subject of the article himself. Sources I have found include this book mention, this shorter mention in a magazine, and here in a list of mimes in star wars. Moritoriko (talk) 05:50, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: appears to be significant roles in major notable films, meeting criteria in WP:NACTOR. Seems like the article just needs some more work. ~RAM (talk) 06:13, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would counter saying his roles in Star Wars are not significant (two random alien creatures) and his role of Monster in Xtro is more significant, but don't think it is enough for WP:NACTOR. Moritoriko (talk) 06:46, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Character actor that does fan festivals [9], is about all I can find for coverage. What's used in the article doesn't really help, there are sources but no in-line sources, and no online links, so I can't verify how useful they are. Oaktree b (talk) 22:56, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Korea Girl

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Recently recreated after being redirected for a couple of years. Previous AFD from 2012 was "no consensus". Lacks for notability. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:26, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - only one RS to prove. Notability problems seem to have remained the same since the notability tag was added in 2012. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 23:26, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I couldn't find the SF Chronicle piece, but that's a major national-level newspaper; and Ref. 9 (Metro Silicon Valley) is a regional source but discusses an upcoming book focusing on the band's label. I think these two are just enough to pass WP:NBAND. If the Chronicle piece turns out to be bogus I could change my mind but for now I think we have SIGCOV. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 00:20, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the piece is here. It feels weak to me and I don't think it is enough but I will look a little more. Moritoriko (talk) 03:02, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: After reading both the SFGate/Chronicle article from 1998 and the excerpt of the book about Asian Man Records I think they are enough to barely satisfy WP:NBAND #1. I'd really prefer 2 records and/or a 3rd article but I doubt anything else big exists. If this closes as keep, the notability tag should be removed as well. Moritoriko (talk) 03:42, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is also a short staff bio and short EP review on Allmusic: [10] and [11]. Further, Rolling Stone saw fit to include the band in the list of best songs of 1998: [12]. With the above mentioned sources: Agreed and leaning Keep per WP:MUSICBIO#1. ResonantDis_tortion 13:21, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ottottrio

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Don't think it passes WP:NMUSIC. Article was previously PRODed by Mach61 (talk · contribs) but taken off by Eastmain (talk · contribs), who wrote that it was "notable because two members are notable" (basically criteria 6 on WP:BAND).

However, WP:BAND states that "regardless of what notability criterion is being claimed, the claim must be properly verified by reliable sources independent of the subject's own self-published promotional materials", which I believe it fails at. There is no Japanese equivalent of the article and the Portuguese article has a single sentence.

Three of the sources are from Gonsiopea, a database/community website, one is from Allmusic for their discography, and one is from a book that directly sources Wikipedia itself. Searching using their Japanese name beings up only blogs, videos, and discography/sellers. I don't think it should be redirected as two members have articles, but what little information it has can be added to their pages individually. reppop^talk 18:12, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Lefty (rapper)

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Notability not apparent Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:14, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Very minimal coverage, the very last source is probably the best, it's still not enough to show notability. I don't find anything about this person, appears to have faded away. Oaktree b (talk) 15:58, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: A bunch of namedrops from sources of dubious reliability, a bunch of claims that even if they were sourced are threadbare, and nothing more to be found. Whether or not the subject's a has-been, it looks like he's a never-was. Fifteen years of this SPA's (probable) self-promotion is quite enough. Ravenswing 16:21, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Solo Avital

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Article about a filmmaker, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:CREATIVE. This has existed for almost an entire decade, and spent most of that time completely unreferenced (and thus never should have survived this long) until having just one reference added to it only in August of this year. Even that one reference isn't really about him, however, but just briefly namechecks him in the process of being about a viral video -- so it would just make him a WP:BLP1E, not a person who had passed WP:GNG on substantive coverage and analysis about him and his work, if we took it as his principal notability claim.
But otherwise, this is strictly on the level of "person who did stuff", with the only other attempt at a notability claim being a list of awards from minor regional or local film festivals that are not highly meganotable enough to confer an automatic free pass over WP:NFILM without reliable sourcing to support them.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be the subject of a lot more GNG-worthy media coverage than this. Bearcat (talk) 13:27, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The citations presented are OK and will pass notability guidelines. In particular the articles in BBC, Jerusalem post, The Guardian and Jerusalem post are the best ones. Yolandagonzales (talk) 16:31, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Most of those are not even in the article at all, and thus have not been "presented" — and all of them are covering him strictly in the context of the same single viral video, and thus have failed to demonstrate that he would pass WP:BLP1E. Bearcat (talk) 02:58, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jazz run

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This article's content has been merged into Marching band. There is not enough citable material to make this topic notable enough for a separate article. Lnc2005 (talk) 06:23, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. BlookyNapsta (talk) 08:54, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, article is an unsourced stub, better merged with marching band. Athanelar (talk) 12:10, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Marching band. No need for a full article on this topic, but since the content has already been merged, the correct procedure is to redirect the namespace and put a notice about the merge in both Talk pages (per WP:PROMERGE). ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 16:28, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Marching band: Per Doomsdayer Nil🥝 21:42, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the Merge notices to both Talk pages, which will make the Redirect quick and easy if that is the final decision. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:21, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge: Viable search term that has been covered in various scholarly sources... just not enough to stand on its own. Why? I Ask (talk) 17:43, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Already done by the nominator, as noted above. All that is necessary now is a redirect. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:24, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kontawa

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Bringing this here for discussion as nearly all of the edits are from blocked editors of one stripe or another. The promotional tone can be cleaned up, but I see no evidence of Said meeting notability as a musician or influencer. Star Mississippi 00:07, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The citations presented are OK.Yolandagonzales (talk) 16:39, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Neil Amin-Smith

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British political advisor ('SpAd') and sometime musician. Not elected, so fails WP:NPOL as a politician and brief career with Clean Bandit doesn't confer notability. Redirect to Clean Bandit as AtD (his only possible claim to notability is the band, not as a political advisor) reverted, so we find ourselves here. Coverage presented is for Clean Bandit, not Amin-Smith. Wonder if there's a COI involved here, but honestly am not bothered. If not Redirect, Delete. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:00, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: his notability as a political advisor is underscored by his several mentions in various reputed outlets (Politico, The Guardian) as Rachel Reeves' foremost advisor, and in his topping of The Standard's 'List of Sexiest Londoners' this year, both of which were my reasoning for constructing the article (as opposed solely to his time as a violinist in a band). I don't see why he should be considered any less notable than two of the other Clean Bandit members Grace Chatto and especially Jack Patterson, neither of whom are reported on individually as much in recent years. Amin-Smith does fail WP:NPOL (after all, civil servants aren't politicians), but fulfils every aspect of WP:GNG. Profavi1 (talk) 16:09, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - As argued by the previous voter. The current article is lopsided and does not need to repeat basic info on Clean Bandit and Smith's place in the band. Conversely, the section on his political advising career can be expanded because he has received notice for influencing some powerful people. He does not need to satisfy WP:NPOL because he is not a politican running for office, but per WP:GNG he has achieved basic notability as someone who has been covered in reliable media sources. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 21:00, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But he hasn't - that's the issue here. The RS references on this page are all about Clean Bandit... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:25, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's true that the sources currently in the "Political career" section have a hard time introducing him without talking about his previous music career, but that is standard journalistic practice. After that obligatory coverage, my stance is that the sources are indeed about his current work as an advisor, however brief. Here are some more that follow the same pattern but still name him as an advisor to the powerful: [13], [14]. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:05, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's a lovely Arab phrase, the dog of a Sheikh is not a Sheikh - Advisors to the powerful are not themselves in power. Or, to be a tad more pithy, Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions - notability is not inherited. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 17:06, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fully two-thirds of the current sourcing relates to Clean Bandit. That leaves the only claim to fame being mentioned incidentally in coverage or winning a "sexiest" list by one publication. That doesn't meet the significant coverage standard for me. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 14:39, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: A special advisor isn't notable, the violin playing could be, but he's a rather minor member of the band. Sexiest anything isn't quite notable either. Most of the coverage is about the band, not about this person. Being on a politician's staff isn't notable, I'm not sure what's left... Oaktree b (talk) 20:50, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Although the sources cited are quite subpar, additional sources exist, thus he meets WP:GNG.Cornerstone1949 (talk) 02:16, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do, please, feel free to provide links to three reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:30, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here, or on the article? Cornerstone1949 (talk) 17:02, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Anywhere, TBH. Here's fine... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 17:07, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Amin-Smith has had an interesting career. Perhaps we can all agree on that! If he was just a musician, maybe you'd have a case to just redirect to Clean Bandit. If he was just a spad, maybe you'd have a case under WP:NPOL to delete. But he's been both and there's enough sourcing to write an article about him. In other words, he meets WP:GNG, including a Politico article all about him, and a lead role in a Standard article, and even an Attitude piece about his relationship ending. Bondegezou (talk) 21:54, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jade Villalon

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Based entirely on non-independent sources. Not clear this singer is independently notable of Sweetbox. Fails WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 02:56, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sweetbox#Jade Villalon with the edit history preserved under the redirect so editors can selectively merge any reliably sourced encyclopedic content to that article. The only reliable source that covered this artist in depth was this article from her youth [15]. I found this article [16] from 2006, but it's unclear why it reports her as a "German pop singer". Otherwise, there was only passing mentions in routine coverage.Katzrockso (talk) 04:20, 13 November 2025 (UTC) Keep per WP:MUSICBIO. The subject is notable because her album Out of the Box (Jade Valerie album) received #28 on the Oricon Albums Chart in her solo career and charted for 6 weeks overall. She seems to have an East Asian fanbase, which is why it was more difficult to find English coverage. This is doubly problematic given that online Japanese news publications often remove their articles after a short period of time, making finding more coverage even more difficult. Katzrockso (talk) 01:58, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I found a few articles in Korean about her collaboration with Kim Dong-wan here [17] and then a later duet with Brian Joo [18] [19].

There was a review of one of her solo albums here in Korean [20]. Katzrockso (talk) 04:25, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would support a redirect/merge to Sweetbox#Jade Villalon as an WP:ATD. The brief work she has done outside that group could be covered in a couple sentences in that subsection.4meter4 (talk) 14:39, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I am undecided for voting purposes, but will point out that her later solo material (after Sweetbox) was under the name Jade Valerie, which might make a difference when searching. She has two solo albums under that name that have also been nominated for deletion, but nobody seems to have noticed Jade Vilallon discography which will have to be handled if everything in it is declared non-notable. The Jade Villalon section of the Sweetbox article, which has been suggested as a redirect target, is also full of poorly-supported fan trivia. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:25, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment from this link the subject appears to have charted per WP:GOODCHARTS, independently of Sweetbox. So does meet WP:MUSICBIO. ResonantDis_tortion 08:19, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Cleto and the Cletones

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Fails WP:NMUSIC. Band lacks individual notability for own article as it's solely connected to Jimmy Kimmel Live!, plus the bandleader (Cleto Escobedo III) already has an article. If deletion is not an option, should be merged into either CEIII or JKL page. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 05:04, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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If you just want it merged, why did you bring it to AFD? Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 05:54, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is a common practice in order to prevent revert wars and to get a solid consensus. Edited nom to include this. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 06:04, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Cleto Escobedo III: per nom, nearly the entire article is about him anyways. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 10:21, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge but with Jimmy Kimmel Live! Hyperbolick (talk) 10:55, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Cleto Escobedo III - A merge can straighten out a few group-level activities like their guest appearances, but there is very little to merge otherwise because (as stated by a previous voter) the article is almost entirely about Cleto and there is already more robust info about his career at his own article. The group as a whole has not achieved notability in their own right, beyond their leader. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:24, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Cleto Escobedo III with selective content mergers to both Cleto's article and Jimmy Kimmel Live!. Frank_{(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion)} 18:52, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - either suggested target is reasonable. Bearian (talk) 03:36, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Does the band continue on after the death of Cleto Escobedo III? If so, a redirect to him wouldn't make sense. There’s a bunch of bands under Category:Radio and television house bands that seem similar in notability to this one. House bands for major television shows, particularly those with individually notable members like Jimmy Earl, the bassist of the Cletones, seem to warrant their own Wikipedia articles. Thriley (talk) 21:03, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I made this edit which I guess will be relevant when the time comes to make any changes resulting from the merge.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:14, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect/Merge to Jimmy Kimmel Live!, as the band is continuing on as "The Cletones". CorrectionsJackal (correct me) 14:55, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - Should be included in Cleto Escobedo III. It was his band and legacy. Guz13 (talk) 17:53, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mr M & Revelation

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Seems to be generated by an LLM. Makes frequent use of em-dashes, the rule of threes, words like "fusion", and some details are suspiciously vague. When I first found this article, it was full of broken templates and was a dead-end page; I've cleaned it up now. GrinningIodize (talk) 19:08, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 19:26, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Wikipedia is not a dumping ground for AI. CabinetCavers (talk) 20:14, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep- checking into the citations does confirm the group definitely exists, some even fairly SIGCOV, additional searches does return a handful featuring the religious music group. Not opposed to draftify as ATD for more improvements be it content or citations.Lorraine Crane (talk) 11:20, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GNG. Heretoforeyou (talk) 08:28, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Drive By (band)

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:NMUSIC Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 04:27, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No substantial coverage, the only appearance of this band in reliable sources is because one member had to cover for Frank Iero, where it is maybe one sentence mentioning that this band was opening. It is notably annoying to search for this band because of Drive By (song) -- Recon rabbit 18:46, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Allmusic staff bio [21]. Reviews by Ultimate Guitar [22] Melodic.net [23] as well as some others [24] [25] [26] [27] Geschichte (talk) 19:06, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Charting album and add'l sourcing above meets WP:MUSIC. Chubbles (talk) 18:01, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep in view of the multiple reliable sources coverage identified in this discussion that together shows a pass of WP:GNG in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:51, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gambino Family (group)

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Fails WP:NBAND. No in-depth coverage of the group. AllMusic says they made one lousy album and disappeared.[28] Another AllMusic page supposedly about the group has a bunch of white guys pictured when the project was all or nearly all black guys. This is truly a nobody band with no reason for a page to exist about them. Binksternet (talk) 22:04, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep As I've stated ad nauseam, the group passes the criteria set forth by Wikipedia:Notability (music) which states "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart." This group, while it only has one album, charted on the Billboard 200 at #17 and the Billboard R&B/Hip-Hop chart at #3. They were signed to two major American record labels at No Limit Records / Priority Records. They've made several appearances on platinum and gold RIAA certified albums including the I'm Bout It soundtrack and Mean Green. They've worked with platinum-selling artists like Snoop Dogg, Mystikal and Master P among others. It has been reviewed by Allmusic, probably one of the most cited professional music review sites on Wikipedia and has been reviewed by The Source magazine, one of, if not they biggest hip-hop publication of it's time. Yes, there is not a ton to be found online about the group itself, but given that it does pass Wikipedia's standards for notability, albeit rather softly, and the article will likely remain a stub, I don't see how it can be argued that they shouldn't have an article here. Beast from da East (talk) 01:16, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- What I'm hearing from this is that the band article should redirect to the album article. Remember that They've worked with... is a WP:NOTINHERITED argument. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:42, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, but you still need sourcing to back up the article. Charting isn't a free pass to get an article here. Oaktree b (talk) 20:42, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing is a free pass for musical artists, not even a platinum-selling record. There are sadly no rules for inherent uncontestable notability and that's why we waste our time discussing over a few kilobytes of data. Everything you delete in 2025 has the potential be sorely missed in 2050 or later. TigerFromEarth (talk) 12:06, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart." follows the statement that a group may be notable if that has happened. The album is notable for its failures; the group isn't notable. Hiobazard (talk/contribs) 14:20, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to album article. I previously PROD-ed this article when I could not find reliable sources to verify the claims in the article, especially as they refer to BLPs. These issues still stand, but as the group's album may be considered notable then I'll suggest a redirect here. Nayyn (talk) 23:37, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Any musical act with their own album in the Top 20 of the Billboard album charts should have an article. If a high chart position in Billboard doesn't prove inherent notability, what does? The attempts to erase a formation from history with such a proof of success not even 30 years later make me shake my head in disbelief. TigerFromEarth (talk) 12:02, 9 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't mind keeping the album page Ghetto Organized to preserve the band's chart achievement, but the band itself isn't subject to any in-depth coverage in sources. Binksternet (talk) 23:25, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep They had an album in the Top 20 Billboard charts as well as a platinum seling album: I'm Bout It Agnieszka653 (talk) 20:12, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Could be notable with a chart position, but you still need sourcing. I can only find links to the crime family using the same name, nothing about this musical group. Not sure a redirect would help, notability is still rather weak. Oaktree b (talk) 20:40, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean proof that they were #17 on the Billboard 200 Album charts? [This] proves it. Page 114. The website worldradiohistory.com has very many Billboard magazines as complete PDFs. TigerFromEarth (talk) 21:13, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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This City (band)

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Fails WP:NBAND --wooden superman 13:01, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This band is clearly not notable and seems to fit the category of a garage band. CabinetCavers (talk) 17:12, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can't see how this article could be considered notable by anyone, It relies on one source, an article from the guardian that itself doesn't make the subject sound notable and I can't seem to find any sources that make this article seem notable. Pyrrhic victor (talk) 15:34, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete tagged for single source since 2017 and should have been tagged for notability. Fails WP:GNG before we get anywhere near a music guideline. Why a BLP tag, God alone knows but that's moot because this article is - barring a miracle - headed for deletion. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:19, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The band in question doesn't appear notable enough to justify the existence of its own article, so deletion will suffice. Surayeproject3 (talk) 15:41, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per WP:MUSICBIO. Album reviews in three WP:RSMUSIC sources NME, Rock Hard, and Drowned in Sound. Furthermore significant coverage in reliable source The Guardian, a further reliable source, Metal Hammer, did an album review but it is paywalled, and the sigcov profile on the UK Festival Guide is attributed to a journalist from Kerrang, another reliable source. On top of this, the subject clearly meets WP:MUSICBIO#12 with a major segment on national radio BBC Radio 1, and finally This City also had a track in a national chart, albeit specialist, per Official Charts Company. ResonantDis_tortion 23:42, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a national music chart, that's the independent singles chart, so wouldn't count for point #2 on WP:NBAND as it's not in the OCC Top 100 as recommended by Wikipedia:Record_charts#UK. --wooden superman 10:38, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, clearly the UK Independent Singles is by definition a national chart, and does appear to meet the criteria of WP:NCHARTS, but as I indicated it certainly is a specialist chart. This charting, in my view, may be an indication of cultural significance but would not be a slam-dunk pass on its own, however in this case we appear to have other indicators of notability including sufficient secondary sourcing that WP:GNG appears to be met. ResonantDis_tortion 19:46, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep in view of the reliable sources coverage identified by ResonantDistortion such as the Guardian, Drowned in Sound and NME that together shows a pass a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 00:28, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - It seems that additional worthwhile sources were found since the initial nomination, so probably a passingly notable-enough musical act. I'll give them a listen now. - Screwdryver (talk) 04:29, 19 November 2025 (UTC) — Screwdryver (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:20, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rudolf Sosna

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"A writerly musician with a melodic sensibility", Sosna is not independently notable from the band Faust he co-founded. Redirect removed, so here we are. Fails WP:GNG, no WP:SIGCOV. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:49, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Rudolf Sosna was not a marginal member of Faust but one of its principal composers and lyricists. He authored or co-authored many of the group’s best-known pieces, including key tracks on Faust (1971), Faust So Far (1972), and The Faust Tapes (1973). His songwriting and melodic sensibility were central to the band’s identity — several critics have specifically highlighted his contributions when assessing the group’s output.

Under WP:MUSICBIO, musicians who have composed, written, or performed on nationally released recordings that have received significant critical recognition meet the notability criteria, even if they are not individually famous. Faust albums are repeatedly cited by reliable sources such as AllMusic, Trouser Press, The Guardian, and The Wire as seminal works in experimental and krautrock music. Sosna’s name appears in album credits and historical analyses of those recordings.

Wikipedia is not a popularity index but an educational resource documenting cultural history. Removing Sosna’s article would erase the record of a composer whose work helped define one of the most influential avant-rock movements of the 20th century. The article should therefore be improved and sourced, not deleted.

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Keep. Sosna was a founding member with a special influence. Given the number of musicians who have been involved in Faust in its various incarnations, it would be inappropriate to include for all of them the level of detail in this Sosna article (e.g. discussing his particular musical style), and it would unbalance an already complex, long article were we to merge the Sosna information into Faust (which excludes merge-and-redirect). The information is relevant, valuable, and sourced, so delete is obviously a bad choice. That leaves only keep. Elemimele (talk) 08:37, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The sources used do not discuss Sosna in the detail that the text of the article would imply. The Guardian mentions Sosna a single time (as one of several members that quit the band and left to Germany without any detail). The quote from Stubbs' book is totally wrong (it was "Rudy is in my opinion the genius of Faust, the everything of Faust", not the emotional counterpoint to Faust’s conceptual pranksterism). The OndaRock interview with Peron does not support the text of the "Style and songwriting" section at all either; it calls him "a genius" but makes no mention of his playing style. Even if these sources matched the text, they do not support his notability as they are not independent sources, being largely interviews and brief mentions. The only source I would describe as contributing to his notability is David Stubbs' 2014 book, but it is not represented accurately here. Even though Wikipedia is not a popularity index, it is not an indiscriminate collection of information without substantial secondary sourcing. -- Recon rabbit 17:34, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Wendy Loomis

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Promotion for non notable musician. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Awards are not major. What a woefully sourced page. EBay? Really. Primary sources, passing mentions, Gig Listings, bandcamp, ... This has gotta be paid pr. duffbeerforme (talk) 05:48, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your feedback. The Hollywood Music in Media Awards are a major awards organization. Here are a couple of links:

https://variety.com/2024/music/news/hollywood-music-in-media-awards-nominations-songs-scores-emilia-perez-elton-john-1236202806/

https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/2024-hollywood-music-in-media-awards-winners-full-list-1235835233/

I will add more reliable citations. Landplane123 (talk) 21:44, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Since the Hollywood Music in Media Awards is a major awards organization with artists like Rhianna and Elton John is it possible to to remove this article from "Articles for deletion" and perhaps ask for more independent, reliable references? And, I am a Wikipedia volunteer, I don't get paid for my work. I'm a 65 year old retired music teacher who enjoys creating articles for talented artists who would not otherwise have a Wikipedia article. Landplane123 (talk) 22:26, 9 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They are not major awards, giving a few awards to big names to make there awards look credible does not make them more significant. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:46, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mean to seem contrary but all of the recipients of this award are major names. Please see this link. https://nextbestpicture.com/the-2025-hollywood-music-in-media-awards-hmma-nominations/ Landplane123 (talk) 19:05, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Eli Jae

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The article has a lot of routine and promo coverage that doesn't justify notability, with some minor achievements like "entered number 88 at Nigeria TurnTable Top 100" or "ranked on NXT Emerging Top Artistes". It has been already deleted a year ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Eli_Jae and has been recently recreated still without notability WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG in this article or other online sources. Chiserc (talk) 20:47, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – Eli Jae has received significant coverage from multiple independent, reliable sources, including Guardian Nigeria, Vanguard Nigeria, Pulse Nigeria, GQ South Africa, and Culture Custodian. “Sexual Healing” charted on the official Nigeria TurnTable Top 100 and the NXT Emerging Artists chart, satisfying WP:NMUSIC points. The article could use copyediting for tone but deletion is not warranted given the clear independent coverage and verifiable chart performance.TarynCheese (talk) 18:04, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete article is sourced to unreliable media. See WP:NEWSORGNIGERIA and the issue of brown envelope journalism. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 13:09, 9 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – He has had a record that has charted in a national music chart. TurnTable Top 100 (Nigeria)] — is a recognized national chart that aggregates official streaming, airplay, and sales data, similar in standing to Billboard charts in other countries. Coverage and chart data are verifiable through reliable independent sources such as TurnTable Charts, Pulse Nigeria, Vanguard.

In addition to chart success, the artist has received independent media coverage in reputable music outlets and industry platforms, further demonstrating cultural and professional significance beyond routine mentions.

Therefore, the article clearly satisfies Wikipedia’s general notability guidelines WP:GNG and music-specific criteria WP:MUSICBIO, and should be kept. Vector diehard (talk) 12:44, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - While Eli Jae is a real artist with releases and some recognition, the Wikipedia article as it stands does not clearly satisfy the general notability guidelines (WP:GNG) for biographies of artists: there’s insufficient independent reliable coverage to establish broad encyclopaedic significance. The article is better suited for merging or redirecting with improved sourcing than retaining as-is. Unless more substantial independent coverage can be found and added, deletion is the appropriate step. Herinalian (talk) 04:36, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We have divided opinion here among participants, a source assessment table would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:13, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Nothing of WP:MUSICBIO substance here. It doesn’t do the job of telling us why the musician is notable, the charts do not go anywhere. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:42, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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