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[edit]- Abduhashim Ismailov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Only a single very obscure source (which cannot be opened therefore hard to assess its significance), therefore fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Single sentence article lacking basic details. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:55, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Matt Suggs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This source has only one (maybe reliable) source to support notability and even that I find difficult calling it the gold standard of reliable. Upon further investigation, there were no other reliable sources for this musician, there seemed to only be sources for other Matt Suggs such as a baseball player and a VP, community development for Homes by WestBay. Therefore, this page fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 15:26, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep per WP:MUSICBIO#1. The subjects solo career has received secondary critical coverage in multiple sources: [1], [2], [3], [4], and [5]. ResonantDistortion 17:17, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Additional coverage [6][7][8] Kelob2678 (talk) 17:33, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Meets WP:MUSIC on multiple bullets. Chubbles (talk) 19:01, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep due to the multiple reliable sources coverage identified in this discussion which together shows a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 00:19, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
- Geier Sturzflug (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NBAND/WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 23:18, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. Coverage [9], charting including a number one in three countries [10], reviews [11] [12] [13] [14]. Some examples. Geschichte (talk) 07:41, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep in view of charting in 3 countries and multiple reliable sources coverage, passes WP:NBAND so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 00:14, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. Not sure whether the reviews are acceptable sources. Three of the sources are from Fuze (ox-fanzine.de) which is called a "fanzine" which I gather is a self-published blog and not an actual ezine. It has a shop that sells recordings/merch so not sure that it is truly independent as it may have a financial coi. smago.de explicitly states in its editorial practices that it takes no responsibilities for errors within its publications which basically means it has a low bar for editorial oversight. Not really seeing these as usable WP:RS. Obviously the charting is a good argument, but those are primary. For me this is still questionable. I would feel much better if we were able to find a single quality source about the band, or a review in some sort of mainstream media. Best.4meter4 (talk) 04:35, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
- It is quite clear from the Ox-Fanzine page that this is a paper magazine, spanning decades and with 182 issues thus far. Geschichte (talk) 07:26, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
- McCraft Ainebyoona (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Kind of a TikToker who fails to show GNG with SIGCOV. There may also be COI with the creator whose username ends with -yoona. Htanaungg (talk) 08:40, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
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- I agree that notability and potential COI are important considerations for this article. Could we discuss what specific sources or criteria might help establish notability for McCraft Ainebyoona Kora Kyoona (talk) 10:14, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Contains no sources necessary for GNG. In 2023, an article about him was declined at AfC[15]. Kelob2678 (talk) 13:46, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete as an obvious attempted promotion for early-career content creator who has only gotten his stuff into typical self-upload sites plus an unreliable Ugandan self-promotion website that pretends to be a news source. The rejected draft is telling, and this could be a speedy delete per WP:G11. Good luck to him as he gets started. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:12, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- I understand the concerns about notability and potential COI. Given the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources and the nature of the content creator's presence online. Allow me provide his social media links especially TikTok.
- Thank you. Kora Kyoona (talk) 18:05, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- Sharif Uzabumwana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is a singer who still needs to demonstrate that they meet WP:NSINGER. The available sources are taken mainly from the entertainment website Inyarwanda, whose reliability I find doubtful. Htanaungg (talk) 09:59, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
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Although Rwanda has few English-language news outlets, he has received significant coverage in major independent sources like The New Times (Rwanda) and other reliable entertainment publications. These sources provide independent reporting on his music, performances, and contributions. This satisfies Wikipedia’s notability criteria (WP:GNG and WP:NARTIST). Formatting or citation issues can be fixed; the article should be kept and improved, not deleted. User:Vikingsam (talk) 21:39, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Despite most of its sources being in Kinyarwanda, and editors seeing the page as relying on a single source for the purposes of WP:GNG because of The New Times, by search, the subject has featured in at least 4 out of the 5 first listed online newspapers on BBC for Rwanda newspapers. Any concerns about tone, structure, or missing information can be addressed through normal editing, not deletion. The article can be improved to meet Wikipedia’s standards, but lack of perfection is not a valid reason for removal (WP:IMPERFECT). Fearless Lion (talk) 08:19, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Baba Tundey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NMUSIC. Sources are press release announcing their signing to a record label. Ednabrenze (talk) 04:45, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - merely being signed to a record deal is almost meaningless. Bearian (talk) 02:59, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Craig Wilde (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:BIO. Cited mainly to primary sources, IMDB, random PDFs etc. Popcornfud (talk) 22:18, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete article created by someone with a username almost identical to the subject's businesses, Niltoni. Even without the promotional tone, there's nothing in here that indicates notability and I haven't been able to find any third party sources with WP:SIGCOV. Orange sticker (talk) 13:49, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:TNT, questions about significant coverage, and possible editing by him or his employees. If there was a gap of years between its creation and editing by fans, then they got a buy-one-get-one-free. But the editing is ongoing. This hits all of my concerns. Bearian (talk) 01:42, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- SPALEXMA (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article fails WP:GNG because there is no significant, independent, in-depth coverage in reliable secondary sources, and the existing references do not establish notability. If there are further sources covering SPALEXMA, I'd consider drafting since that would fall into WP:TOOSOON, but for now, this'll need more reputable coverage. ConeKota (talk) 03:12, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:TOOSOON. The article in Forbes (already cited) absolutely helps, but that appears to be the only reliable journalistic mention of the mysterious AI bot so far. Per WP:SIGCOV we need more than that but maybe the entity will generate more news in the future. No opinion on the suggestion to draftify. I will add however that the entity's name should not be YELLED in all caps because that is not done in the various upload and social media sites featuring the Charlie Kirk song. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:18, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- Serge Colbert (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unable to find reliable sources that demonstrate notability. Therefore, this article fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV since it only has one source that is not really reliable either. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 14:54, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Gsearch is straight to his website, then Imdb, various DVD sites, not really anything found about this person. Comes up in credits for various DVD releases, that's about all I see. Oaktree b (talk) 15:32, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete I couldn't find any secondary sources that are usable. Agnieszka653 (talk) 23:15, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete This is an easy call to delete. Fails notability on every measure. Go4thProsper (talk) 01:10, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Destini Beard (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No sign of notability for artist. Search returns nothing outside of her work on albums with a band. Allan Nonymous (talk) 17:51, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 18:19, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Sockweb (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable band, with several sources being from the record label themselves. GarethBaloney (talk) 20:46, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per Wikipedia:NOTNOTABLE. ~2025-34392-86 (talk) 20:51, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- The link you're using is making a point about how just stating something is "just not notable" isn't something you should do...★Trekker (talk) 20:23, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Passes WP:GNG and WP:NBAND per the sources already in the article. I'm seeing three different independent e-zines with critical reviews cited. That's enough to pass the sourcing threshold.4meter4 (talk) 21:54, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Notable per 4meter4's assessment. Maxcreator (talk) 06:00, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
- Rick Burks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NACTOR and WP:BIO. Starring in Blood Diner is the high point of his meager acting career. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:48, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - WP:BIO Fails Wikipedia Notability, The only info seems to be on Imdb. And even that tells you about his immediate family, but only shows he was a minor actor in 3 films.— Maile (talk) 14:42, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - agree with nom points, lack of enough SIGCOV to suggest notability.Lorraine Crane (talk) 17:53, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete on account of the distinct lack of sources supporting subject's notability. The text was put together by a kamikaze account but that's the least of its problems. -The Gnome (talk) 18:37, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- Okapi (band) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Limited sourcing of overwhelmingly WP:PRIMARY nature (e.g. interviews), which means it fails WP:GNG as we should use secondary sources to establish notability. No better secondary sources discovered. Therefore should be deleted. Rambling Rambler (talk) 16:23, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete- lack of enough SIGCOV sources to suggest notability, not opposed to draftify if more secondary sources more than interviews or passing mentions can be added.Lorraine Crane (talk) 17:25, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Fails notability guidelines. I was unable to find any additional news about this. Maxcreator (talk) 05:52, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
- Les Warner (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article created by a fan in 2006(!) now sourced mostly by press kits and primary sources. Also, promotional wording like "perfect for punk" and "broadening his array of already accomplished and varied chops". A WP:BEFORE search only turned up interviews, which are not independent, especially for a BLP article with higher standards LR.127 (talk) 18:43, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: This was all I could find [16], an interview from 2017. I don't see anything else about this musician, lots of hits for Les Warner Brothers in French media. Could redirect to the band I suppose. Oaktree b (talk) 01:33, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Cult. I am familiar with that band's history and can attest that Warner has an important place in that history as a member (though short-lived) during one of their most successful periods. Therefore he is a probable search term and the interested WP user can be sent to the band's article. Otherwise, Warner is a typical working musician and may even make a living in various cover bands and lounge acts, but since The Cult his activites have not achieved the significant coverage necessary for notability here. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:54, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Radhika Bhide (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Reality show contestant (not winner), nothing charting, and nothing seen for touring or released under major record label. CNMall41 (talk) 06:28, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Just wanted to share my side as the person who started the article.
- I don’t have any connection with Radhika Bhide — no paid work, no personal link. I just help some independent artists with their online visibility for free sometimes.
- Regarding notability:
- Even though she is not the winner of the show, she has received a lot of independent media coverage recently. Her performances on I-Popstar (Season 1) went viral, and multiple well-known outlets covered her songs and interviews: Maharashtra Times, NDTV Marathi, Loksatta, Lokmat, Saam TV, ABP Majha, Lokshahi News, JustShowBiz, etc. These are all organic, non-sponsored articles.
- She may not have charted or been signed to a major label yet, but the amount of independent coverage she has received suggests she meets general notability, not just the musician-specific criteria. If anything needs fixing or cleanup, I’m happy to work on it. Aditya Jagdhane (talk) 07:04, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- If she has not charted or released music under a major label, how would she pass WP:NMUSICIAN? As far as the COI, you were asked about that on your talk page. If we can continue the conversation there it would better as this page is a discussion about notability, not editor conduct. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:04, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: she earned some Marathi language news coverage to support WP:GNG but is it sufficient for inclusion in English Wikipedia? A matter of concern here to be addressed by some experienced editors. SaTnamZIN (talk) 05:39, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Source 2, won't translate via Google Translate, but it has many instagram posts, so I"m assuming it's not an extensive source. Source 8 says it was written by AI when I translate it, so, that's no good. I'm going withe a !delete unless we can get better sources. Oaktree b (talk) 01:12, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Tim Dry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am a little surprised that I have had to bring this to AfD (although redirect to Tik and Tok might be fine but I am checking their notability next) because this page lists numerous accomplishments but when I try to check them out I can't find them or they are documented with self-published sources. In addition the article was created by what appears to be a COI account (NOIR Ltd.) and has been consistently updated by the subject of the article himself. Sources I have found include this book mention, this shorter mention in a magazine, and here in a list of mimes in star wars. Moritoriko (talk) 05:50, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: appears to be significant roles in major notable films, meeting criteria in WP:NACTOR. Seems like the article just needs some more work. ~RAM (talk) 06:13, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- I would counter saying his roles in Star Wars are not significant (two random alien creatures) and his role of Monster in Xtro is more significant, but don't think it is enough for WP:NACTOR. Moritoriko (talk) 06:46, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Character actor that does fan festivals [17], is about all I can find for coverage. What's used in the article doesn't really help, there are sources but no in-line sources, and no online links, so I can't verify how useful they are. Oaktree b (talk) 22:56, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Ottottrio (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Don't think it passes WP:NMUSIC. Article was previously PRODed by Mach61 (talk · contribs) but taken off by Eastmain (talk · contribs), who wrote that it was "notable because two members are notable" (basically criteria 6 on WP:BAND).
However, WP:BAND states that "regardless of what notability criterion is being claimed, the claim must be properly verified by reliable sources independent of the subject's own self-published promotional materials", which I believe it fails at. There is no Japanese equivalent of the article and the Portuguese article has a single sentence.
Three of the sources are from Gonsiopea, a database/community website, one is from Allmusic for their discography, and one is from a book that directly sources Wikipedia itself. Searching using their Japanese name beings up only blogs, videos, and discography/sellers. I don't think it should be redirected as two members have articles, but what little information it has can be added to their pages individually. reppoptalk 18:12, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Leaning Delete- unable to find SIGCOV sources so far on the band as a whole past the typical music websites, Tried also the JP wiki search , do see the band mentioned, but on the more notable members pages see this and this2, no standalone article has been made yet even there.Lorraine Crane (talk) 14:35, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Solo Avital (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article about a filmmaker, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:CREATIVE. This has existed for almost an entire decade, and spent most of that time completely unreferenced (and thus never should have survived this long) until having just one reference added to it only in August of this year. Even that one reference isn't really about him, however, but just briefly namechecks him in the process of being about a viral video -- so it would just make him a WP:BLP1E, not a person who had passed WP:GNG on substantive coverage and analysis about him and his work, if we took it as his principal notability claim.
But otherwise, this is strictly on the level of "person who did stuff", with the only other attempt at a notability claim being a list of awards from minor regional or local film festivals that are not highly meganotable enough to confer an automatic free pass over WP:NFILM without reliable sourcing to support them.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be the subject of a lot more GNG-worthy media coverage than this. Bearcat (talk) 13:27, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: The citations presented are OK and will pass notability guidelines. In particular the articles in BBC, Jerusalem post, The Guardian and Jerusalem post are the best ones. Yolandagonzales (talk) 16:31, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
- Most of those are not even in the article at all, and thus have not been "presented" — and all of them are covering him strictly in the context of the same single viral video, and thus have failed to demonstrate that he would pass WP:BLP1E. Bearcat (talk) 02:58, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment It seems more that the video is notable, more so than its creator.★Trekker (talk) 08:15, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Redirect- to either AI-generated content in American politics (after adding some of the content here about the video) or 2025 Donald Trump Gaza Strip takeover proposal#AI-generated video, as current citations and additional searches indeed leans more notability to the mentioned "viral video" more so than the creators themselves.Lorraine Crane (talk) 16:36, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete outright. Even that one video co-created by our subject is barely noticeable in the realm of the media; its creators even less. The sources one can scare up (NBC, The Sandpoint Reader, The Jerusalem Post, and so on) are all about the brouhaha caused by that small clip. -The Gnome (talk) 17:46, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- Neil Amin-Smith (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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British political advisor ('SpAd') and sometime musician. Not elected, so fails WP:NPOL as a politician and brief career with Clean Bandit doesn't confer notability. Redirect to Clean Bandit as AtD (his only possible claim to notability is the band, not as a political advisor) reverted, so we find ourselves here. Coverage presented is for Clean Bandit, not Amin-Smith. Wonder if there's a COI involved here, but honestly am not bothered. If not Redirect, Delete. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:00, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: his notability as a political advisor is underscored by his several mentions in various reputed outlets (Politico, The Guardian) as Rachel Reeves' foremost advisor, and in his topping of The Standard's 'List of Sexiest Londoners' this year, both of which were my reasoning for constructing the article (as opposed solely to his time as a violinist in a band). I don't see why he should be considered any less notable than two of the other Clean Bandit members Grace Chatto and especially Jack Patterson, neither of whom are reported on individually as much in recent years. Amin-Smith does fail WP:NPOL (after all, civil servants aren't politicians), but fulfils every aspect of WP:GNG. Profavi1 (talk) 16:09, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep - As argued by the previous voter. The current article is lopsided and does not need to repeat basic info on Clean Bandit and Smith's place in the band. Conversely, the section on his political advising career can be expanded because he has received notice for influencing some powerful people. He does not need to satisfy WP:NPOL because he is not a politican running for office, but per WP:GNG he has achieved basic notability as someone who has been covered in reliable media sources. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 21:00, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- But he hasn't - that's the issue here. The RS references on this page are all about Clean Bandit... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:25, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- It's true that the sources currently in the "Political career" section have a hard time introducing him without talking about his previous music career, but that is standard journalistic practice. After that obligatory coverage, my stance is that the sources are indeed about his current work as an advisor, however brief. Here are some more that follow the same pattern but still name him as an advisor to the powerful: [18], [19]. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:05, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- There's a lovely Arab phrase, the dog of a Sheikh is not a Sheikh - Advisors to the powerful are not themselves in power. Or, to be a tad more pithy, Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions - notability is not inherited. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 17:06, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Avoid the temptation to bludgeon when your points have already been made several times. Meanwhile, the argument that an advisor to the powerful is not in power, and therefore only inherits notability from the powerful, is a red herring that avoids the question of whether an advisor can be notable as an advisor. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:48, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- See this here indenting thing? It's used for discussion. I say a thing, you say a thing. Screaming bludgeon during dialogue is hardly conducive to discussion. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:36, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Avoid the temptation to bludgeon when your points have already been made several times. Meanwhile, the argument that an advisor to the powerful is not in power, and therefore only inherits notability from the powerful, is a red herring that avoids the question of whether an advisor can be notable as an advisor. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:48, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- There's a lovely Arab phrase, the dog of a Sheikh is not a Sheikh - Advisors to the powerful are not themselves in power. Or, to be a tad more pithy, Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions - notability is not inherited. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 17:06, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- It's true that the sources currently in the "Political career" section have a hard time introducing him without talking about his previous music career, but that is standard journalistic practice. After that obligatory coverage, my stance is that the sources are indeed about his current work as an advisor, however brief. Here are some more that follow the same pattern but still name him as an advisor to the powerful: [18], [19]. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:05, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Fully two-thirds of the current sourcing relates to Clean Bandit. That leaves the only claim to fame being mentioned incidentally in coverage or winning a "sexiest" list by one publication. That doesn't meet the significant coverage standard for me. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 14:39, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: A special advisor isn't notable, the violin playing could be, but he's a rather minor member of the band. Sexiest anything isn't quite notable either. Most of the coverage is about the band, not about this person. Being on a politician's staff isn't notable, I'm not sure what's left... Oaktree b (talk) 20:50, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: Although the sources cited are quite subpar, additional sources exist, thus he meets WP:GNG.Cornerstone1949 (talk) 02:16, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Do, please, feel free to provide links to three reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:30, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Here, or on the article? Cornerstone1949 (talk) 17:02, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Anywhere, TBH. Here's fine... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 17:07, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Here, or on the article? Cornerstone1949 (talk) 17:02, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Do, please, feel free to provide links to three reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:30, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: Amin-Smith has had an interesting career. Perhaps we can all agree on that! If he was just a musician, maybe you'd have a case to just redirect to Clean Bandit. If he was just a spad, maybe you'd have a case under WP:NPOL to delete. But he's been both and there's enough sourcing to write an article about him. In other words, he meets WP:GNG, including a Politico article all about him, and a lead role in a Standard article, and even an Attitude piece about his relationship ending. Bondegezou (talk) 21:54, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Cleto and the Cletones (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NMUSIC. Band lacks individual notability for own article as it's solely connected to Jimmy Kimmel Live!, plus the bandleader (Cleto Escobedo III) already has an article. If deletion is not an option, should be merged into either CEIII or JKL page. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 05:04, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
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- If you just want it merged, why did you bring it to AFD? Erpert blah, blah, blah... 05:54, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
- This is a common practice in order to prevent revert wars and to get a solid consensus. Edited nom to include this. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 06:04, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Merge with Cleto Escobedo III: per nom, nearly the entire article is about him anyways. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 10:21, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
- Merge but with Jimmy Kimmel Live! Hyperbolick (talk) 10:55, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
- Merge with Cleto Escobedo III - A merge can straighten out a few group-level activities like their guest appearances, but there is very little to merge otherwise because (as stated by a previous voter) the article is almost entirely about Cleto and there is already more robust info about his career at his own article. The group as a whole has not achieved notability in their own right, beyond their leader. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:24, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to Cleto Escobedo III with selective content mergers to both Cleto's article and Jimmy Kimmel Live!. Frank(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion) 18:52, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
- Merge - either suggested target is reasonable. Bearian (talk) 03:36, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Does the band continue on after the death of Cleto Escobedo III? If so, a redirect to him wouldn't make sense. There’s a bunch of bands under Category:Radio and television house bands that seem similar in notability to this one. House bands for major television shows, particularly those with individually notable members like Jimmy Earl, the bassist of the Cletones, seem to warrant their own Wikipedia articles. Thriley (talk) 21:03, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I made this edit which I guess will be relevant when the time comes to make any changes resulting from the merge.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:14, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Redirect/Merge to Jimmy Kimmel Live!, as the band is continuing on as "The Cletones". CorrectionsJackal (correct me) 14:55, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Merge - Should be included in Cleto Escobedo III. It was his band and legacy. Guz13 (talk) 17:53, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Merge – The article fails to demonstrate sustained independent notability. Maxcreator (talk) 05:54, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Merge - into Cleto Escobedo III. It is just the founder that is notable. Dualpendel (talk) 13:22, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- Wendy Loomis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Promotion for non notable musician. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Awards are not major. What a woefully sourced page. EBay? Really. Primary sources, passing mentions, Gig Listings, bandcamp, ... This has gotta be paid pr. duffbeerforme (talk) 05:48, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Thank you for your feedback. The Hollywood Music in Media Awards are a major awards organization. Here are a couple of links:
- https://variety.com/2024/music/news/hollywood-music-in-media-awards-nominations-songs-scores-emilia-perez-elton-john-1236202806/
- https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/2024-hollywood-music-in-media-awards-winners-full-list-1235835233/
- I will add more reliable citations. Landplane123 (talk) 21:44, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Left guide (talk) 08:27, 9 November 2025 (UTC) - Since the Hollywood Music in Media Awards is a major awards organization with artists like Rhianna and Elton John is it possible to to remove this article from "Articles for deletion" and perhaps ask for more independent, reliable references? And, I am a Wikipedia volunteer, I don't get paid for my work. I'm a 65 year old retired music teacher who enjoys creating articles for talented artists who would not otherwise have a Wikipedia article. Landplane123 (talk) 22:26, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
- They are not major awards, giving a few awards to big names to make there awards look credible does not make them more significant. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:46, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- I don't mean to seem contrary but all of the recipients of this award are major names. Please see this link. https://nextbestpicture.com/the-2025-hollywood-music-in-media-awards-hmma-nominations/ Landplane123 (talk) 19:05, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- They are not major awards, giving a few awards to big names to make there awards look credible does not make them more significant. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:46, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, EmilyR34 (talk) 04:16, 24 November 2025 (UTC) - Delete - reading through and the random sources, it fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC, I do have suspicions on WP:COI for this article. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 18:21, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
Comment: "TheClimateMusic Project" might be notable, but not individually. Bearian (talk) 09:50, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
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