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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: RESULT. Consensus is clearly to move. Moved and disambig/redirect pages created. MASEM (t) 03:18, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Steam Machine → Steam Machine (consoles) – Confusion between Steam engine and machine Vaypertrail (talk) 11:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think a Steam machine (disambiguation) is really needed at this point, and this page moved to Steam Machine (consoles). I've already noticed lots of links to this article when they are talking about the steam engine.--Vaypertrail (talk) 11:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move, but agree on a disambiguation page since there's more than a handful, which this would point to. "Steam Machine" as a common name is clearly going to be the Valve hardware concept. (Google: "steam machine" valve 5.3 M hits; "steam machine" "daft punk" 260k hits). --MASEM (t) 14:49, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also to note, while "Steam machine" can be a name for a steam-engine based device, that's differing by casing, which is acceptable for differentiation in name. --MASEM (t) 14:51, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Steam machine is another common name for a steam engine (water vapor) and valve's are part of them, so obviously you are going to get several million hits for that search. I think you are using google search incorrectly, my results were:
Steam (Valve Machines)
  • "steam machine" "valve corporation" - 26,800
  • "steam machine" "gabe newell" - 168,000
  • "steam machine" "valve software" - 41,400
Steam (water vapor power)
  • "steam machine" "Industrial Revolution" - 203,000
  • "steam machine" "boiler" - 1,300,000
  • "steam machine" "locomotive" - 309,000
  • "steam machine" "Human After All" "Television Rules the Nation" "daft punk" - 1,970,000
See WP:RECENT.--Vaypertrail (talk) 15:46, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Most people in the industry don't call Valve "Valve Corporation". So if go to "'steam machine' computer" I get 8.7M hits, "'steam machine' gaming" 23.6M hits. So yes, it is still the more common name. --MASEM (t) 15:58, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop mentioning results of common terms, steam machines have been used with computers since computers existed, and 'gaming' has multiple unrelated meanings. "steamos" "steam machine" "valve" - 794,000.
As you can see from https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=steam+machine the term became common in publications when the Steam engine was invented during the Industrial Revolution.--Vaypertrail (talk) 16:32, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The "Steam machine" / "Steam Machine" is not an issue; we allow pages that are different by casing (and when I created this page, "steam machine" is just a redirect to "steam engine". The question is what other uses of "Steam Machine" (all caps) come into play, and it's clear that the Valve unit is the most common term of the all-caps version, moreso than anything else (certainly more than the Daft Punk song). There is the issue that the words "steam machine" are related to the other things currently in the hatnote like steam cleaning, etc., but they aren't proper terms there. As such, this page should stay where it is, with a specific disambiguation to Steam engine to talk about "steam machines", and with all other users groupped at a Steam machine (disambiguation). --MASEM (t) 18:38, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – It's a recent and relatively minor use (as a quick book search shows), and we usually don't settle for disambiguation by capitalization alone. Dicklyon (talk) 18:41, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support steaming machines, steam cookers, steam clothes presses/irons, steam engines are all quite likely, more so than a new game relatively obscure game console (and even as a game console is more likely to refer to the nVidia Shield) -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 04:36, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Uh, no, the entire gaming and computer industry is watching what develops with Steam Machines, and it's not going to be like the Shield since there's multiple vendors. --MASEM (t) 18:36, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, the entire game industry is looking at the XB1vPS4 battle and whether tablets will usher in the death of consoles; Steam Machine is like the Oyua, something of an outlier. Most Steam games won't even run on a Steam Machine, since it isn't Windows. And the most prominent Steam device is the Shield, so garners much of the current buyer attention for Steam devices. -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 04:23, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

With discussion in the above "Console vs PC" going nowhere. Are we certain all Steam Machines are consoles? That is what this rename is implying. « Ryūkotsusei » 03:18, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

They aren't consoles, or at least certainly they all won't be consoles since a user can create their own. That said, there is some term that could go in "Steam Machine (X)" if it is decided that we have to move this page from "Steam Machine" (non disambiguatied), but "consoles" is not the right one. "computer hardware", "computer", etc. might be more suitable. --MASEM (t) 03:49, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
They are all supposedly STBs (set top boxes). They are boxes that connect to the TV set; all TV videogame consoles are STBs. VCRs, DVD players are STBs. -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 04:20, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
But there's no requirement for them to connect to a TV set either, though Valve targets them for the living room. -- ferret (talk) 12:29, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There's no requirement to connect your XBox to a TV either; many people connected VCRs to another VCR as a dubbing setup. -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 05:41, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Consoles are generally designed to be a fixed (as in, a locked-down hardware design) computer unit. The Steam Machine concept is meant to encourage open hardware and end-user modification, so this is the farest thing from a console as possible. --MASEM (t) 16:01, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Several consoles have been adaptable, such as the original XBox which many people hacked, replacing parts at will because it was just a PC stuffed into a console format. The PS2 and PS3 had Linux editions, and homebrew games. The Sega Genesis was notorious for all its add-ons (Sega CD, Sega 32X, etc). Some of the Google MiniPCs are upgradable boxes instead of sticks, and those are STBs. -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 05:41, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Xbox: keyword "hack" as opposed to "encourage open hardware and end-user modification". Sega consoles: locked-down hardware design with add-ons specific to that manufacturer. Sony: hardware is still locked-down. I think moving this to something like "Steam Machine (hardware platform)" is broad enough to cover all bases if its up to the manufacturer to create a console or PC. « Ryūkotsusei » 16:20, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
"Hardware platform" works too given that the concept allows uses to create their own Steam Machines by building one that meets the required specifications. --MASEM (t) 16:29, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm OK with "(hardware platform)" or "(game platform)" or "(hack)" or whatever you all decide. Dicklyon (talk) 20:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I ditto Dicklyon. Any disambiguator is alright with me. Red Slash 00:53, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

←)Masem, although you're quite involved, do you mind moving this and closing the discussion? « Ryūkotsusei » 02:42, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it's reasonable clear which way the concensus is here. --MASEM (t) 03:09, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Apology

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I'd like to sincerely apologize for that one time I accidentally blanked the page. I highlighted everything unintentionally. I hope y'all can forgive me :(

Thanks! Sincerely, ModdedInstall2. (my edits | leave a message) 20:05, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Separation?

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Would the original versions of the Steam Machine and the new 2026 Steam Machine be considered distinct enough to have their own pages? ~2025-32845-53 (talk) 01:37, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should stay part of this page but should have a separate section. Maybe in the history section? AkyNa4401 (talk) 02:08, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The new one really should have its own page. I believe once more information comes out, there will be more to write about. 📎 JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 03:33, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Valve considers it a continuation of the original Steam MAchine idea, so it does not make sense to separate it out, not until at least the system is released and we can see what the sources say. If anything, the old Steam Machine stuff may be more ancillary to the new version, and thus serve as a historical factor while discussing the new Steam Machine. Masem (t) 05:03, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Imo, this depends on whether other companies will release SteamOS-running Steam Machines like in the first generation; but the Gabecube should probably have its own page either way. אתמולתיים (talk) 17:30, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The only new Steam Machine will be Valves models, they aren't using the previous approach here. Masem (t) 17:35, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you cite this? They have made SteamOS available for other handheld devices, and the LTT video on the topic does seem to point they are looking to offer an ISO download. It'd be rather weird if considering all this, they wouldn't allow OEMs to pre-install SteamOS. אתמולתיים (talk) 17:43, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Other companies can make small form favors using Steam's, but unlike the first iteration of Steam Machines where any manufacturer can call them that, this iteration, only Valve is make the official Steam Machine. Plenty sources from yesterday's announcement confirm they aren't going down the third party route again. Masem (t) 17:47, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't find the sources you were referring to—rather, to the contrary:

"We finally have all the software and the hardware bits to make the original vision a reality," Yazan Aldehayyat, a Valve engineer working on the Steam Machine, says during my visit to Valve HQ. They mention it's the right time because users are already making Steam Machines happen, putting a recovery image of SteamOS onto a range of devices or using their Steam Deck while docked.

— PCGamer

To me, it seems like Aldehayyat is implying Steam Machines do not have to be produced by Valve. Could you please link your sources? אתמולתיים (talk) 17:54, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This other article from pcgames [1] (via MSN) shows that valve thinks what they are making is the only thing that will be a Steam. Machine but wants to see other manufacturers use Steam's and small firm factors to make similar devices, just not called Steam Machines. It's similar to the Steam Deck approach. Masem (t) 19:59, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see where exactly they are saying that other companies won't be able to call their own machines Steam Machines, but I could be wrong there—I am saying mainly the opposite, actually. As for the Steam Deck—yes, because say the ROG Ally isn't a Steam Deck, it's a handheld Steam Machine, and so is the Steam Deck itself. As I said above, we need to wait for Valve to confirm this with new branding guidelines once they're out. אתמולתיים (talk) 21:42, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There arent any branding guides here. The new Steam machine is being built by valve to a specific spec. No third party manufacturers are involved. There are branding guidelines if others want to use SteamOS to make a similar device but they won't be able to brand it as a steam machine. Masem (t) 22:07, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think per the discussion below a new page is a worthy proposal. This is clearly a different project to the original, even if it is a spiritual successor and has the same title. Swordman97 talk to me 20:16, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, until we are much closer to release it doesn't make sense to separate these. Maybe if it is super successful after launch it will be clear, but far too early now Masem (t) 20:49, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The new version should certainly be a new page, it's a seperate product with seperate specs and it's a single "Steam Machine" from Valve, as opposed to the "Steam Machines" branding that was used for hardware manufactured by a dozen other companies. Doublah (talk) 22:36, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, we need to wait until they are actually released and see if they are as comparatively successful as the Steam Deck. Even if they take off, the old Steam Machine concept easily still fits in discussion of this new model, considering it was a failed first attempt at such hardware. Masem (t) 03:14, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 November 2025

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved per WP:DIFFCAPS. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vestrian24Bio 12:44, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Steam Machine (computer) → Steam Machine – Currently the obvious primary topic for the capitalized form only per WP:DIFFCAPS. It will probably end up being split into 2 pages eventually, but right now it's just a single page and requires no disambiguation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:02, 17 November 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 21:29, 3 December 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 10:27, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is a textbook DIFFCAPS case, many of which are just differences of one letter. There is nothing that I can tell which is different about this case in comparison to the others. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:46, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
An additional hatnote at Steam engine would probably be sufficient. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 12:05, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a reason you believe it should be exempt from the DIFFCAPS policy? ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:32, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the first-generation and second-generation devices being separated. It seems odd to lump them together as they have pretty significant differences, comparable to for example the Switch and Switch 2. I also feel the SteamOS article suffers from a similar problem, although not as much. Ondar111 (talk) 13:38, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because there was no common target for the 1st Steam Machines, its not comparable to Switch and Switch 2. Plus a significant lack of much information on them beyond that they were considered failed. Its why if the 2nd gen fixed target units from Valve prove even a bit of success, keeping the 1st gen part here with appropriate adjustments makes for a completely comprehensive background section to the 2nd gen. Masem (t) 13:43, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is literally a generation of Steam Machines. The article will be referring to devices within that generation. This is contrasted when generation is synonymous with model. Raync (talk) 01:45, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment WP:DIFFCAPS also says And a well-known concept may still be the primary topic for a variant styling or incorrect spelling, even if a much less well-known subject uses that spelling. Here we have an incorrect spelling of an obscure variant for steam engine.
Joe vom Titan (talk) 17:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Linux, WikiProject Computing, and WikiProject Video games have been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 21:29, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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