Talk:Price signal

Stock speculation

@MiauZou: I have removed your recent addition about stock speculation for several reasons:

1. It contains information that does not appear correct. The price of stocks is not a matter of supply and demand; the supply of a company's stock is generally a fixed quantity (discounting for stock splits). Rather, the price of stocks relies more on the public's perception of the value of the company. The supply of stock available for sale may increase as sellers look to divest of a particular stock, but this is not true supply/demand pricing.
2. The entire paragraph relies on a single citation (to Practical Trend Analysis, p. 50-52) which discusses a completely different topic ("magical thinking" in stock investing).
3. The paragraph is replete with grammar errors and sentence fragments. This last could be repaired, but is not worth the effort given the other two shortcomings.

-- WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:09, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

WP is not for developing your own theories. Article talk-pages are only for discussing improvements to the article based on the usual article-content policies and guidelines. See WP:NOTFORUM and WP:NOR. DMacks (talk) 17:06, 16 July 2023 (UTC) The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Re-Consideration

I would like to present some comments for public considerations.

My intention will be to formulate some extra issues concerning the value theory in economics during these times with blockchain technology plus the bitcoin assets.

As we know bitcon is creteded of the surplus from the electricy productions or by simply utlizing electricity: by mining.

The connection between price (signals) and value will be under re-formulation because according to Feynman a power is of value, and therefore, power is a value: "electric power equal approximately bitcoins (value, purchasing power, in other words power to buy energy; electricity)".

Maybe Hayek's communicative information reformulation is needed as well.

The shared information in digital networks or the decentralized knowledge sets are those who secure the reliability of distribution (codes) and non-counterfeitable financial tender system together: - the spred price signals.

May I inquiry some comments with the deep critique?

Sincerely Yours Kartasto (talk) 14:17, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Some main plus logical terms: value, fungibility, correspondence, account.

1. Value, from Latin valere to be worth, be strong.

Old French value C. 1300, "price equal to the intrinsic worth of a thing," late 14c, "degree to which something os useful or estimable" (Online Etymolgy Dictionary).

2. Bitcoin is so called fungible token.

The term fungible -> funbibility is borrowed from legal terminology, where it refers to the legal fiction that deems certain entities to be identical for purposes such as paying debts (David Deutsch, TBOI).

According to Wikipedia the word fungibility comes from the Latin fungibilis, from the verb fungī, meaning "to perform", via phrases such as fungi vice, meaning "serve in place of". It is related to words such as "function" and "defunct".

3. Correspondence: "communication by letters" is first attested 1640s; that of "the letters which pass between correspondents" is from 1771 (Online Etymology Dictionary)

4. Account (to count, enumerate, tell) - > accountablity; the meaning "reckon for money given or received, render a reckoning," is from late 14c. The sense of "to explain, justify" (c. 1300) is from the notion of "present a detailed explanation of money, etc. held in trust." The transferred sense of "to value, to estimate" (Online Etymology Dictionary).

5. Counting: late 14c., verbal noun from count (v.). Counting-house "room or building set aside for bookkeeping, correspondence, business transactions," is from mid-15c (Online Etymology Dictionary).

According to Brett Hall´s definition: a criticism is an explanation of why something is faulty, flawed, or false. It is the necessary precondition for solving a problem to identify what is wrong and correct it.

Sincerely Kartasto (talk) 08:39, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

According to Penguing English Dictionary, value:

1. a fair return or equivalent for something exchanged: I like to get value for money when I buy clothes.

2. the worth in money or commodities of something.

3. relative worth, utility, or importance.

4. (use in people) a moral principle or standard behaviour.

5. a). a numeral quantity assigned or computed. b) the magnitude of phycical quantity. c) precice meaning or significance e.g. of a word.

6. the denomination of a note or a coin.

7. the relative duration of a musical note.

8. a) relative lightness or darkness of a colour. b) the relation of one part in a picture to another with respect to lightness and danrkness.

9. in phonetics, the quality of a sound that a letter repsesents (from Latin valere to be worth, be strong). Kartasto (talk) 09:52, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

According to Hayek´s price signal:

"...the amount requested or offered of a product or service, which provides a signal to increase or decrease quantity supplied or quantity demanded..."

But Matti Viren, professor emiritus from Turku School of Economics explained that according the first lesson by Milton Friedman´s micro economics:

The demand for free goods will be an infinity.

Therefore I would like to inquiry do You have better information and knowledge regarding this (conflict)?

If the requested and demanded amount will be an infinity; so I would like to know if the Hayek´s definition concerns only the goods in the free market system? Or the free market system with public sector together?

And how do you think about the free goods - are those free goods offered by NGO´s, labor of love, charities or the public sector (tax payers)?

And when the demand and request will exist infinity for the free goods; what on Earth is the pure signal regarding the quantity with quality for warehouse accounting? What about the new, better versions or rival products such as cars or computers in markets and industries?

Finally, may I inquiry do You have the precise expression exactly used by Milton Friedman? Kartasto (talk) 10:40, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Obviously the production (price signal) needs some competition and markets (Porter: = industries) for effectual influence and action.

In Soviet Union for example the lack of price signal caused constant shortfalls regarding the products and services - plus vice versa - over productions: the excessive quantities due to the nonexistence of the values, price signals around: production controlled and steered by the price signals with competition: communicate information.

And as we know, when the monopolies exist somewhere in the Western markets the price signals are quite absence or meaningless.

After all, my aim will be to contact towards so valuable professor emiritus Matti Viren and finalize with him the official Research Article as soon as possible i.e. during this week for the - public audience - criticism of economics.

Looking forward to interact with You.

Sincerely,

--Atlas

• Asko Gabriel Tuurna*

(Gabriel Thuneberg officially in future)

Kartasto (talk) 20:08, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Re-concideration ex nihilo

According to David Deutsch´s the Beginning of Infinity:

Society is not a zero-sum game: the civilization of the Englightenment did not get where it is today by cleverly sharing out the wealth, votes or anything else that was in dispute when it began. It got here by creating ex nihilo.

Thomas Brand tells likewise in Medium:

The origin of the new bitcoins is not however, visible but those are created for the miner ex nihilo.

Therefore I suggest just like Brand that we may have a tiny conflict here with these assets. It is videly recognised that:

When the central banks print and create money ex nihilo the effect and influence of that action will manifest as an inflation, QE correct?

I personally think some bits like the Austrian School of Economics:

Jörg Guido Hülsmann argued that the central banks such as especially ECB and socialism are connected and bonded and linked and interrelated eternally, ad infinitum (Universités Faculté de Droit, d’Economie et de Gestion, Jörg Guido Hülsman “Central Banks and Socialism Are Forever Linked Together”).

After all, David Deutsch writes that what science achieves is unpredictable creation ex niholo as biological process of the evolution - so may I inquiry any comments? Kartasto (talk) 11:28, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Professor Emiritus Matti Viren´s Wisdoms

Hi Again,

Recently acquired plus copied something important concerning these value issues from professor emiritus Matti Viren´s Twitter account.

According to Wikipedia, Cardinal Numbers are named as Finnish kardinaaliasteikko, right?

In Bitcoin denomination system adaptation the cardinal numbers may well describe the sizes of identical infinite sets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_number

Therefore I would like to create a conversation regarding the Leibniz–Newton calculus controversy due to the term force etc..

According to etymolgy online the word force (approximately meaning is some bits identical with the power) emerged for the sense of the physics from 1660´s which were - as they do recognize - the era of Newton.

Interestingly M. Porter utilized the term force likewise the biological word rival mayby because for his avitation background information plus the very experience from the airpalne industry with real tangible and countable forces.

My aim will also be to prove later something concerning the tangible tenders versus intangible, abstract, non_physical money.

Any comments, criticism? Kartasto (talk) 11:28, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

The divisibility - one of the key aspects of money - of those existing 21 million Bitcoin units totally is theoretically an infity by modifying the code exclusively.

To express more accurately, it is possible even now to divide single Bitcoin up to hundred million units - just like single €uro can be divided up to 100 cents - by utilizing power, force, compulsion, using energy or physical strength such as electrical power for the divisibility reach.

And those diveded one million units can be divided again and again and again ad infinitum - endlessly - due to the non_physical, abstract nature of the tender.

Kartasto (talk) 14:44, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Typo: should be *hundred million units* of 21 million Bitcoins (not one hunded millions) Kartasto (talk) 14:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Value Chain

According to Michael Porter Value Chain consist of periods, phases - or when descriped exactly - the products or servives are produced in stages.

Counterexamble:

Essentially every individual asset therein the value chain can be blockchained by utilizing specific technology such as the Bitcoin without impairments and with exhibits.

Furthermore in stages, every single process with its every possible particles and fields meticulously, will countable increase the value onto goods.

According to Finnish professor Esko Valtaoja, an astronomer plus a writer, the surplus creates added value, likewise interestingly.

Not quite sure what was the orginal English term used by M. Porter for that lisäarvo = added value?

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Friendly producer: Kashmir - Mika Saarela, Tampere, Finland. Kartasto (talk) 09:38, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Plagiarism

According to Etymology Online the term plagiarism means:

"The purloiring or wrongful appropriation of another's ideas, writing, artistic design etc., and given them worth as one's own.", 1620's from ism + plagiary, "plagiarist, literary thieft" from Latin "kidnapper, seducer, plunderer, one who kidnaps the child or slave of another".

- Sharp quotes from David Deutsch's The Beginning of Infinty (I have translated TBOI from English to Finnish but not finnished nor published yet):

Cantor proved, with his diagonal argument, that there are infinity many levels of infinity, of which physics uses at most the first one or two: the infinity of the natural numbers and the infinity of the continuum (page 195).

An infinity that is small enough to be placed in one-to-one correspondence with the natural numbers is called a 'countable infinity' - rather an unfortunate term, because no one can count up to infinity...

Larger infinities are called uncountable. So there is an uncountable infinity of real numbers between any two distunct limits (page 171).

Furthermore, there are uncountable many orders of infinity, each too large to be put into one-to-one correspondence with the lower ones (page 172).

Infinity is not magic (page 173).

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May I inquiry some comments? Kartasto (talk) 08:12, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

After the conversation with Mr. Erkki Hyötyläinen the shared price signal can be provided according to demamded quantity of (more) tokens: in this case, via the divisible Bitcoins.

Hayek: "...the amount requested or offered of a product or service, which provides a signal to increase or decrease quantity supplied or quantity demanded..." Kartasto (talk) 14:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)