Talk:First Intifada

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 July 2025

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“The First Intifada (Arabic: الانتفاضة الأولى, romanized: al-Intifāḍa al-’Ūlā, lit. ‘The First Uprising’), also known as the First Palestinian Intifada, was a sustained popular uprising against Israeli occupation that included widespread non-violent protests, acts of civil disobedience, and also violent confrontations, particularly involving stone-throwing, Molotov cocktails, and clashes with Israeli forces.”

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📘 Explanation for Wikipedia (Talk Page Justification):

Issue with current wording: The existing sentence describes the First Intifada as “a sustained series of non-violent protests, acts of civil disobedience and riots.” While it acknowledges civil disobedience and unrest, it inaccurately frames the entire Intifada as non-violent in character. This is misleading and not fully supported by reliable academic and historical sources.

Why it’s inaccurate: • Mixed nature of the uprising: The First Intifada (1987–1993) did begin with large-scale civil resistance campaigns—general strikes, boycotts, refusal to pay taxes, and other nonviolent actions organized at the grassroots level. • However, it also included widespread use of stones, Molotov cocktails, and occasionally firearms against Israeli military forces. These tactics were often carried out by youths in urban areas like Gaza and the West Bank. • The term “riots” itself implies violent disorder, which contradicts the use of the label “non-violent” for the same events. • According to multiple human rights organizations and academic sources (e.g., B’Tselem, Benny Morris, and Rashid Khalidi), the uprising resulted in significant casualties, including over 1,000 Palestinian deaths and more than 160 Israeli deaths, much of it from violent clashes—not just state suppression of peaceful protest.

Suggested revision rationale: The proposed edit more accurately reflects the hybrid nature of the uprising—nonviolent civil resistance alongside violent episodes—without minimizing either aspect. This framing is consistent with the consensus among historians and conflict scholars and better serves the encyclopedia’s goal of neutrality and accuracy. 2600:4040:2DB2:8200:4806:3F53:5291:138A (talk) 01:45, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 05:46, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

looks reliable to me:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/intifada 2001:1C00:B901:B000:152E:DF1C:58AD:F185 (talk) 15:40, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Edit request 21 July 2025

Description of suggested change: was a sustained series of violent protests, acts of civil disobedience and riots carried out by Palestinians in Judea and Samaria, also known as the west bank, and other parts of Israel. Diff:

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75.39.178.170 (talk) 20:35, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: per WP:EDITXY: this is not an uncontroversial improvement. M.Bitton (talk) 20:40, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

those were violent protests. 2001:1C00:B901:B000:152E:DF1C:58AD:F185 (talk) 15:36, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2025

Saying front and centre that the first intifada was "a sustained series of non-violent protests" so that the thumbnail on other articles doesn't contain the terrorist action by palestinians is very biased.

especially when most protests were very violent thus the nickname name "Stone Intifada" https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/100614 https://www.palquest.org/en/highlight/31119/ix-first-intifada-and-israeli-palestinian-negotiations

the intifada changed its non violent direction very quickly. so putting it in first sentance so it looks like the intifada was non violent is just not indicative of what was realety at the time. Royleny (talk) 19:52, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The first sentence already mentions riots and terrorist attacks in addition to non-violent protests. Day Creature (talk) 23:58, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

 Done Royleny I do understand what you mean, and I have rephrased the sentence. Lova Falk (talk) 13:31, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 November 2025

The second paragraph of the "Hamas" section of this page needs to replace "Israeli" with "Israel".

Currently: "In response to this Israeli began to arrest and kill many Hamas leaders including Ahmad Yassin, but by this point Hamas was too big for Israeli to destroy easily so the group survived these counterattacks."

Edit Request: "In response to this Israel began to arrest and kill many Hamas leaders including Ahmad Yassin, but by this point Hamas was too big for Israel to destroy easily so the group survived these counterattacks."

This sentence, and the one that follows it, could be written better, as well as represent the cited source more accurately. If possible, please accept this revised version of the sentence above: "In response to this Israel arrested several Hamas leaders, including Ahmad Yassin. By this time, however, Hamas had grown to such an extent that Israeli retaliation could reduce Hamas's capabilities, but not destroy it. By the end of the Intifada Hamas, along with other Islamic movements, gained significant political and military power both within Palestine and abroad."

But, at the very least, the minor edit should be made. Thank you. Dsa605 (talk) 02:45, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

 Partly done: I did the minor edit but the more expnasive version needs consensus. GothicGolem29 (Talk) 03:01, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

Edit request 12 December 2025

Description of suggested change:

Change a usage of the word "children" to "minors". The listed source categorizes them as "minors under 17", so "minor" is a more precise term than "chidren", which can ambiguously mean either a person below the age of majority, or a person below the age of puberty

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During the whole six-year intifada, the Israeli army killed at least 1,087 Palestinians, of which 240 were children.

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During the whole six-year intifada, the Israeli army killed at least 1,087 Palestinians, of which 240 were minors.

~2025-39715-80 (talk) 08:30, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: People under the age of 18 are children; no ambiguity here. Day Creature (talk) 14:49, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

With respect, I disagree. Even wikipedia's own entry on the word first states the "below puberty" definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child . Also, why not use the word the actual source itself uses? ~2025-39715-80 (talk) 16:36, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

"Children" is commonly understood to mean people under the age of 18 in ordinary, everyday speech. The "below puberty" definition occurs more often in the context of biology and the sciences. The article should not be changed without consensus. Day Creature (talk) 17:44, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child the "below puberty" definition is given as the first definition, and I would argue that that is the commonly understood meaning, and the under 18 definition comes into play in the context of the law.

I have stated the downsides of using the word "children", but I don't understand what the downsides are to the change? It could be made better with the change (more precise; alignment with the source), but what would be made worse with it? Is there an objection other than inertia? ~2025-39715-80 (talk) 15:47, 15 December 2025 (UTC)