Talk:Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor

Civil lawsuit

• As of 2021 a civil lawsuit in the United States, says that he had sex with a female (Virginia Giuffre) that was under 18 years old.
• In an earlier media interview, Prince Andrew has said that he can not remember having met her. The lawsuit is still going on, as of 2022's first quarter.
  

Is the wording neutral and otherwise okay, if notable and independent sources are added? 89.8.150.104 (talk) 22:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)/89.8.150.104 (talk) 22:41, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

. 89.8.150.104 (talk) 23:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay (text, or maybe not okay)?

• "During the Falklands War, Andrew served on multiple missions, despite controversy due to the possibility amongst Parliament of the Queen’s son losing their life".--Tip: to break up the sentence/period into two or three ideas/sentences/periods, is probably a good idea. (I will be on the sideline, to pick anyone up if they fall (so to speak), while editing.) Good luck! 2001:2020:345:B4AE:EC47:DA95:BC7F:1237 (talk) 19:12, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  You are welcome to make these changes yourself. --IWI (talk) 19:15, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  Not everyone knew that the text had a problem. Now everyone knows.--Anyone has permission to fix it, one might say. 2001:2020:32B:EE42:5C6B:CA72:6C27:F7D3 (talk) 21:09, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

If not simple, then say so

" Andrew is the first in line to not be a descendant of the current reigning monarch".--Not simple-English, perhaps. (Maybe not even correct English, either.)--Good luck (while i fix things in the article, that i am comfortable fixing). 2001:2020:359:B9D1:8532:E633:2BB:F8DE (talk) 22:51, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

"Prince Andrew", is now the title at En-wiki

... if asked.--Be bold (and good luck, with the move). ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 23:30, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Lede (and parliament not having voted ...)

The following idea, more or less, is (arguably) fine in the lede.--However, 'when he moves from one property, to another', then i am fine with the quote being moved to a section about Duke of York.

"Parliament has never (as of 2025) voted about taking away his title, Duke of York". ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 08:30, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

The gov't says that the king has started a process

The king, is not the main player, of the British government.--However, the website of the royal family, has removed mention (and picture) of Andrew, on at least one page (if not all).--(Andrew was prominently featured as of yesterday, but not so at this time of day).--A website making changes, is not always important.

Britain is a nation of laws; Even if the prince wants to 'give away, being a prince', and also 'give away, being the Duke of York', there are procedures.--To merely stop using a title - that is a mere, smaller step (and only a smaller step of ' giving away, a position' ).

Note: the government is saying that the king has started this-or-that process; That is noted; In days or hours from now, we might actually have something substantial to write about that process. ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 16:43, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Views from one 'Lecturer in Law, Royal Holloway, University of London'

• October 21: Options without parliament: "Ultimately, princely and HRH status is in the gift of the monarch of the day."; According to Craig Prescott;
  

Source, theconversation.com/why-prince-andrew-is-still-a-prince-and-how-his-remaining-titles-could-be-removed-267816#:~:text=An%20act%20of%20parliament,the%20Titles%20Deprivation%20Act%201917.

• October 31; [Is Craig Prescott saying that Andrew, is no longer a prince? Question by this wikipedia-user. ]
  

Source, independent.co.uk/news/charles-iii-jeffrey-epstein-parliament-elizabeth-ii-virginia-giuffre-b2855839.html
. ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 22:21, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Change title (of wiki-article, beginning of Nov. 2025)

If he no longer is a prince, then we can consider changing title (of this wiki-article).--Some suggestion are on the 'table':
Prince Andrew (retired in 2025)
Andrew (prince until 2025)
Andrew (former prince)
The former prince Andrew. ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 22:51, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

@~2025-28382-09: None of those would be appropriate. The title should be whatever the person's current name is, not what they used to be. -- Auntof6 (talk) 00:37, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

"Andrew", according to NRK (October 31).--'Too early' and they are not writing about this topic, in English.--URL, nrk.no/ytring/andrew-er-stott-ut-i-kulden-1.17634349
. ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 01:17, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

"Andrew", or
"Andrew (British naval officer)", or
"Andrew (born year 19-something)", or "Andrew (royal family member)".--I am 'merely' making suggestions about what possible article-title(s), that are on the table; Note: Simple-wiki has maybe not 'experienced (yet)', that Andrew is no longer a prince.

We can make changes, before En-wiki (might) change their title, from "Prince Andrew".--I will probably 'be ready to decide that the title should be moved', when an established user 'says "Move title", in a convincing way'. ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 12:23, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

On 30 October 2025, Prince Andrew, became plain Mr. Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, after he was stripped of all royal and aristocratic titles. Since he is now a commoner, the article should be renamed to "Andrew Mountbatten Windsor" as well. In fact, there is a debate in the talk page of en:Prince Andrew in English Wikipedia about renaming the article to "Andrew Mountbatten Windsor", with most Wikipedia users supporting the move. Oratas (talk) 12:29, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

That is one view, however there is some sort of COMMON-NAME policy on wikipedia.--Maybe we will end up with the same article-title, as En-wiki. (Sometimes we end up with different article-titles). ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 12:36, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Former titles and ranks are excluded in article names about non-aristocrats and former aristocrats. The debate and tendency is to rename it to his current "commoner" name "Andrew Mountbatten Windsor" without the mention of his former royal titles. Since "Mountbatten Windsor" is a famous surname, and since Andrew is the most (in)famous Andrew of the Windsor dynasty, many people will know who that is, when the name "Andrew Mountbatten Windsor" is mentioned. Oratas (talk) 12:53, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

If 'significant many media, continue to call him Prince Andrew , then that might influence what Simple-wiki will have, as title of our article'.

However, do i think that there is over 50% chance that we will end up having the same title as en-wiki?--Yes, over 50% chance, is how i see this. ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 13:36, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Simple Wikipedia article names are always identical to English Wikipedia article names. When an English Wikipedia article is renamed, the corresponding Simple Wikipedia article is also renamed by the Simple Wikipedia administrators. Whether the en:Prince Andrew article in English Wikipedia will be renamed or not, we will find out. If it is renamed, the same renaming will be applied here as well. If not, the current article name will remain. However, in the talk page of the English Wikipedia article, the Wikipedia users overwhelmingly support the abovementioned name change and the dropping of his royal title. Oratas (talk) 15:35, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

You have made 19 changes here, since you started in August this year.--That is respectable.--Thank you for your view. ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 16:19, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia version was changed to en:Andrew Mountbatten Windsor by the English Wikipedia administrators. It is almost certain that the Simple Wikipedia version will be renamed to what is used in English Wikipedia. I have never come across different names for the same article in both Wikipedias. Oratas (talk) 17:44, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Note: many have an idea, 'where our discussion et cetera, might be headed'.

If admins can wait to make the move, until the Lord Chancellor, makes a statement - then that might be an idea.

It seems like it would be enough, that a king snaps his fingers, and says "No longer, a prince"; Followed by writing the following words on, say, the back of a napkin: "Royal Warrant. So-and-so is no longer a prince. 'Signature and date'."

I think that we can wait, a few days, until the Lord Chancellor says, something like, 'A royal warrant exists, that says that so-and-so is no longer a prince'.--I expect c. zero voices/"votes" in support for my idea, of waiting to change the article-title. ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 19:06, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Some opposing views (or wiews against changing the article-title):
"Wait and see the media's reaction. WP:COMMONNAME does take precedence, and just a day or two may not be enough to determine if the media is going to call on his full name. ... Wait a few days, and give sources that the media have changed or have not changed before making a decision. ... 23:28, 31 October 2025", at en-wiki. ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 18:32, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
Ex-Prince Andrew, is a a possible article-title.--Simple. ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 03:46, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

One specific category

"Category:Jeffrey Epstein" - i am fine with Andrew (or Prince Andrew) not being in that category.--Do administrators have a recommendation, how that 'category thing', should be for now? ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 14:10, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Not a prince

[... redacted, and unsourced] ~2025-30842-89 ..(talk) 17:02, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Do we want bylines to 'pretend that he was not a prince', in year 2013

"Then Prince Andrew in 2013", is fine, in my opinion. (This is in regard to the first byline, in the article.) ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 20:16, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

The caption is appropriate to use his name as is, not what he was known as at the time. CountryANDWestern (talk) 04:05, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

He was Prince Andrew, at the time.--Saying that "he was known as" Prince Andrew, might be underplaying things, just a tad. ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 04:48, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Show precedent for using such a caption, please. If our photo is from a time before a person got Maddie and had a name change, we don’t say “Then MAIDEN NAME in XYEAR.” We use whatever the name of the article is. CountryANDWestern (talk) 11:17, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Is he not also known, simply, as "Andrew"?

I have put a source in the article.--He is famous as Andrew, too. How many sources do 'we need' (about him also being known, simply, as Andrew)? ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 04:20, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

@~2025-28382-09 this is an issue since he was called "Andrew" as a prince, but if he is not then he should be changed to "Mountbatten Windsor" Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk | changes) 04:21, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

We go with what sources say.--If there is doubt that he is also famous, simply as Andrew (mononymously), then we might want to go thru references, and see which ones we should 'stick' in the article.--For now, he is famous, as Andrew also.--And i will leave for others, to theorize why he still is famous as, simply, Andrew (mononym). ~2025-28382-09 (talk) 04:39, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Move

enwiki has his name as en:Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and I think we should do the same. To clarify Mountbatten is not a middle name. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk | changes) 06:11, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

Agreed. Moved the page title for consistency with Enwiki TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:27, 14 November 2025 (UTC)