Talk:AJ Styles

WrestleMania 36

He did not headline WrestleMania 36. Brock Lesnar and Drew McIntyre did. Please remove. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.72.173 (talk) 15:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

They main evented night one and "headlined" doesn't always mean main evented. See Ric Flair's lede in reference to WrestleMania VIII.LM2000 (talk) 15:38, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Main event it's not always the final match. I think some user discusses a few days ago. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:39, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Yeah but Styles/Undertaker was the final match. This year's Mania was unprecedented: it was represented by two individually-sold PPVs with their own pre-shows, rendering it a markedly different beast from the single-broadcast Manias of yesteryear. Mania 36 was akin to television coverage of a two-day music festival, one overall event with a separate headlining act for each individually-ticketed day. Telekinetics (talk) 21:05, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Wrestling Observer/F4W, pretty much the pre-eminent industry commentator, asserts that Styles vs. Undertaker both "headlined" and "main evented" the April 4 broadcast.[1] Telekinetics (talk) 00:03, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Nobody disagrees that AJ headlined the April 4 broadcast, but he did not have the final match of WrestleMania 36, because it ended on April 5 with Drew vs Brock.WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 00:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

WM36 functioned as two individual, clearly-delineated PPVs. Trying to very awkwardly file it alongside single-PPV Manias is fallacious and inappropriate. Telekinetics (talk) 01:28, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes but everyone knows Flair didn't actually main event WM8. In any event there's no reason to write "headlined". It absolutely gives an implication that he main evented the show which he didn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.72.173 (talk) 17:49, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Nights 1 and 2 were available as standalone pay-per-views.[2] Any way you slice it, Styles closed out a PPV titled "WrestleMania". Absolutely a Mania headliner. Telekinetics (talk) 20:14, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Agree to disagree regardless if they were available as separate. WrestleMania was ONE show split into 2 "Parts". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.72.173 (talk) 21:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Except that Mania 36 was evidently TWO individual productions with individual box office receipts (and individual pre-shows), a la Kill Bill or Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. This wasn't some single broadcast interrupted halfway through by a breaking news story. AJ Styles absolutely headlined a WrestleMania pay-per-view. Telekinetics (talk) 13:36, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I am not denying the last sentence. But he did not headline WM36, only WM36 Day 1. If he indeed headline WM36, then next year's Mania has to be called WM38. Otherwise this was ONE Mania with ONE final match (Drew Brock).WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 21:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I really do not understand some of these editors who don't understand the fundamentals and logistics of things. WrestleMania 36 may have been sold as two separate PAY PER VIEWS with two "box office receipts", but WrestleMania 36 itself was was NOT two separate "shows" or "events". It was ONE show and ONE event called "WrestleMania 36" which was split into two PARTS. WWE themselves even list it this way on the WWE Network. "Part 1" and "Part 2". While AJ may have been the last match or "headlined" Part 1, he did not "headline" the event of WrestleMania 36. Brock Lesnar and Drew McIntyre did. Until a day when WWE indicates this, I have removed the reference to him "headlining" WWE's premier event, WrestleMania.

Stop insulting users who disagree with you (WP:CIVIL). Telekinetics (talk) 02:12, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Well said.WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 14:17, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Dave Scherer of PWInsider (WP:PW/RS#Reliable sources), says that Styles is indeed a "WrestleMania headliner".[3] I have restored the lede to its previous form: if one wishes to remove the mention of Styles headlining WrestleMania, please provide a WP:PW/RS source that asserts he has not headlined. We're past bickering here, especially now that a preferred source has chimed in. Telekinetics (talk) 01:11, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

More WP:PW/RS sources ([4][5]) and mainstream sports ones ([6][7][8]) designating the night one closer as a WrestleMania-headlining match. Cloudbearer (talk) 16:33, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 21 August 2021

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Mdewman6 (talk) 23:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

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A.J. Styles → AJ Styles – To be honest I don't think this really matters but it seems like a majority of sources spell it as "AJ" and not "A.J." ♡RAFAEL♡^(talk) 01:52, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:39, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
• Support Always seen it as AJ Eerie Holiday (talk) 17:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

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AJ's face turn in October 2024

For absolutely no reason whatsoever, my establishment of AJ Styles turning face on the October 4 2024 episode of Smackdown is being repeatedly reverted. As with all other Wikipedia pages related to pro wrestling, it's important to establish where and when a wrestler turns heel and goes back to being a face and vice versa. AJ's babyface turn on the October 4 episode of Smackdown after being a heel since February explains why he is now wrestling other heels as the way it's currently presented makes it look like he's a heel facing other heels which is inaccurate. AvatarUser (talk) 17:21, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

"Edit warring"

@NJZombie You're once again accusing me of edit warring, this time without proof. [9] [10] [11] [12] Each one of my contributions have been changing a different thing! Hardly edit warring, and by your own definition, aren't you edit warring too? Per WP:EW, "An editor who repeatedly restores their preferred version is edit warring, regardless of whether those edits are justifiable". You're edit warring too, don't forget. Lemonademan22 (talk) 21:44, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Every one of your edits has been a variation of the same edit. That doesn’t make each one a different edit. That technicality doesn’t excuse you. ToBeFree specifically about restoring contentious content as opposed to discussing it on the article’s talk page, but as usual, you continue to revert or make variations of the same revert and point out minor errors, while making errors yourself. Your interactions with myself and other editors remain less than WP:CIVIL as well. If you had simply made a request for comment on the matter of contention here, other editors could have chimed in and consensus could have been reached by now. NJZombie (talk) 21:59, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@NJZombie Doesn't change you're still edit warring too, per my original response. "Your interactions with myself and other editors remain less than WP:CIVIL as well." Whom may you be referring to? Again no evidence. I've had people treat me with a lot of comptempt, either due to their total disregard for Wikipedia policy or their hostility towards me for a few mistaken edits. Our only real interactions have been you accusing me of edit warring! And I'm the one that should keep in mind civilty? That doesn't add up. Lemonademan22 (talk) 22:22, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@NJZombie The only issue here is the one you have with me, for whatever reason you really don't like what I do and you come off very acusatory. In addition, your refusal to communicate on this talk page (per above) is not very collaborative. I've tried a conversation but have heard radio silence, you also told me not to take the issue to your talk page, so what do you expect me to do? Lemonademan22 (talk) 14:47, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I have zero issue with you personally. Just because someone on here disagrees with you on two or more occasions, it doesn’t mean they have an issue with you. However, you’re the one pointing out that multiple people have treated you with contempt here. Maybe the common issue here is how you’re dealing with other people. I’ve communicated with you on this talk page as seen above. I’ve answered you but I’m not obligated to address every comment you make. You made this a contentious issue. So you’re the one that should be on this talk page explaining why it makes sense to create an entirely new section on a moment that takes one whole paragraph. Saying “no consensus” or “take it to the talk page” before any discussion over your reasoning has even occurred is the wrong way to handle things. No discussion on the actual topic has occurred so there’s no way to say there’s no consensus. See WP:DRNC. You were instructed to keep discussion on the topic’s talk page. You just chose to move your complaints about me to this page. Also, not the correct way to handle this. Discuss your reasoning for the edit you want to make here, THEN consensus is determined, and THEN edits can be made. You don’t just say “no consensus” and “take it to the talk page” and win the debate by saying so. NJZombie (talk) 15:07, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I must have a lot to learn then. Lemonademan22 (talk) 15:24, 28 July 2025 (UTC)