Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace
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{{uw-aitalk1}}
[edit]Can someone add the newly created uw-aitalk series of templates here? It seems to follow the standard rules of what should be in a uw, but exclusion from this list (as well as AV, etc.) makes it difficult to find. Somepinkdude (talk) 14:01, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
Edit request to complete TfD nomination
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Template:Uw-ablock has been listed at Templates for discussion (nomination), but it was protected, so it could not be tagged. Please add:
<noinclude>{{subst:template for discussion|help=off}}</noinclude>
to the top of the page to complete the nomination. Thank you. — AP 499D25 (talk) 12:57, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
Temp Account Bug
[edit]It seems like the templates are breaking once temporary accounts have been introduced. Now, the uws are all linking towards the personal sandbox, regardless if it's a temp account or not. Is there some way so that it will still link to WP:Sandbox for temporary accounts, because it's clearly not happening? HwyNerd Mike (t | c) 07:40, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
- I've created the {{If temporary account}} metatemplate to detect whether a user is a temporary account. It's currently used in {{Uw-ecr}}. However, I don't see a problem with a temporary account using their own user sandbox instead of the shared one. — Newslinger talk 19:23, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Newslinger: Being directed to a nonexistent page may confuse new users. Also, are temporary users able to create their own sandboxes? –Gluonz talk contribs 00:41, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for bringing that up. I don't know, and I should have confirmed this before making an assumption. According to mw:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/FAQ, "Temporary accounts have their own user pages and user talk pages". However, according to Wikipedia:How to create a page, "Please note that only logged in users can create pages in non-talk namespaces." I'm not sure if that latter restriction extends to user subpages for temporary accounts, and it would be helpful to confirm this. — Newslinger talk 21:37, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Newslinger: Being directed to a nonexistent page may confuse new users. Also, are temporary users able to create their own sandboxes? –Gluonz talk contribs 00:41, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
Uw-confusinglinks1
[edit]Would this be considered a single-level or a multi-level template? There's currently only one template in this series, but it's structured like all the other uw1 templates. 137a (talk • edits) 17:03, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Uw-fv1 as well. It seems like fv is supposed to be short for "false reference" or something. 137a (talk • edits) 00:09, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- @137a: It's "failed verification", akin to
{{fv}}. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:02, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- @137a: It's "failed verification", akin to
Viewing usage of warning templates over time
[edit]Recent improvements to template {{find substed}} have enabled the easy[-ier] discovery of the number of particular warning templates in use on User talk pages, and how those numbers have varied year over year. As a proof of concept, please see Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace/warnings by year. These data could be expanded in several ways (more templates, more years) and/or used to plot time-series graphs, to give a view of how usage of warning templates varies over time. This, in turn, may be useful in providing data to analyze any number of issues, and should be helpful for WP:Editor retention. Note: numbers in the table are static, and figures in the first two columns will go stale over time, but other columns should remain stable. Links are dynamic, and should provide the correct statistic for each cell. Expansions are possible, such as, 'this month', 'this quarter', and so on. Mathglot (talk) 11:06, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
{{uw-uploadfirst}}
[edit]Hi! I patrol CAT:MISSFILE, and have recently been working on a project to include the user template notifying users when a missing file is added. There are a couple different issues that cause missing files to be added into articles: users not uploading a file properly, or attempting to hot-link an external image from another site (often with the mistaken belief that Wikipedia will magically be able to link to the image on that site).
The template we've had for a number of years is {{uploadfirst}}. However, given the complexity of Wikipedia's image policies, I feel the current wording is confusing for new users. {{uw-uploadfirst}}'s current wording states: I noticed that one of your recent edits added a link to an image on an external website or on your computer, or to a file name that does not exist on Wikipedia's server.
The current wording attempts to guess a list of possible reasons why the editor made the error. From patrolling the category every day, the majority of missing files come from new users unaware of how to upload images to Wikipedia. For new users who are already unfamiliar with how images work on Wikipedia, the current wording does not seem simple or easy-to-understand. A template listing a bunch of possible reasons that the error could have been made seems more likely to confuse new users than help them.
I felt the best way to address this was to split the two separate issues into two separate templates. From my experience working with new users, the best way to communicate these issues to them is simple, concise wording that focuses on a specific issue. I recently created {{uw-notuploaded}} to address the issue of users not uploading a file properly. The majority of {{uw-uploadfirst}}'s wording is centered around external images, except the one sentence excerpt from above. My thought was that the wording of {{uw-uploadfirst}} could be changed to focus only on users attempting to link external images.
I attempted to make this change; however, I was reverted. I attempted to discuss with the user, but they were unwilling to discuss beyond saying they didn't see a need for the change. Given this, I wanted to bring up this issue here to get others' thoughts on splitting off not uploading (non-external) images properly into a separate template, so that {{uw-uploadfirst}} can solely address the issue of hot-linking external images. Do others feel a split would be helpful/necessary?
This is my first time attempting to discuss a template, so please let me know if this is inappropriate, but I'm pinging all of the users that have used {{uw-uploadfirst}} in the past six months from this search Sumanuil GorillaWarfare LaffyTaffer ClaudineChionh, as well as KylieTastic and Dawnseeker2000 as they are regular patrollers of CAT:MISSFILE and may have opinions on this. Cheers, Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 17:28, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- User talk:Sam Sailor#Uw-uploadfirst Template Linking your discussion with Sam Sailor where this was also discussed. I'm inclined to mostly agree with him that a split seems unnecessary. The current wording of uploadfirst seems to cover the relevant info clearly enough with little room for misinterpreting anything, but I suspect I'm either not seeing what you're seeing or I've possibly misunderstood your intent with the split in the first place. LaffyTaffer💬(she/they) 17:54, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Katniss, can you expand on what distinction you're making between the two templates' use cases? I agree that {{uw-uploadfirst}} could potentially benefit from copyediting to make it a bit simpler to understand, but I'm unclear on what the
different issues
are that a split would benefit. tony 18:52, 3 December 2025 (UTC)- TonySt, sure, happy to elaborate more! The reason I feel {{uw-uploadfirst}} could be used specifically for edits that attempt to hot-link external images from other sites or their computer. Here is an example of what I'm talking about with a user trying to hot-link an image from an external site. This is another example of a user trying to hot-link an external image from their computer. To me, copying a link to an image on an external site/personal computer seems like a separate issue from attempting to upload a non-external file, but doing so incorrectly (See example of this here). The current wording of {{uw-uploadfirst}} seems to mainly focus on linking external images, except for the one sentence in the excerpt I italicized in my original message. If or to a file name that does not exist on Wikipedia's server was removed, {{uw-uploadfirst}} could be specifically used just for users that attempt to hot-link images from external sites. To me, the current wording of uploadfirst seems to try to cover both the issue of hot-linking images and not uploading files properly at the same time. Splitting the issue incorrect file uploads off into {{uw-notuploaded}}, and leaving {{uw-uploadfirst}} specifically for hot-linking images would allow us to communicate the specific issue to new users in a simpler, more concise way. I feel this version before Sam Sailor's edit in 2018 is perfect, because it does not attempt to cover the two separate issues in one template. Let me know if I can clarify any further! Cheers, Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 19:29, 3 December 2025 (UTC)